Only idiots are saying both sides are the same, but the only way to make Biden look good is to compare him to Trump. Such a low bar.
Lowering insulin prices is great, but its just another bandaid on the gaping, infected would that is the US healthcare system. What happened to the public option that candidate Biden talked about so much?
Lowering cannabis to schedule 3 is a step in the right direction, now we can have legitimate legal studies on the drug. But this doesn’t have to go in baby steps, he could have just descheduled it. We will still be arresting and prosecuting and jailing, ruining lives and wasting loads of taxpayer dollars.
The infrastructure bill is just clearing the maintenance backlog, we still have no real plans for high speed rail. Our infrastructure is 10-15 years behind China and falling further behind.
What happened to the public option that candidate Biden talked about so much?
Pray tell, how would Biden get that passed with the current political setting?
Biden is a president, not a king, he can’t just deschedule marijuana unilaterally without causing problems, he needs Congress to help. Look at your answer to my first question to see how that gets done. Some info: https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/04/20/over-80-groups-urge-biden-administration-end-federal-prohibition-marijuana-and
Our infrastructure is 10-15 years behind China and falling further behind.
Again, look at your answer to my first question.
It feels like you want Biden to fix everything, while completely unaware of how our government works. Which brings us to why people compare Trump to Biden, because people will have to vote for one or the other in the election. Is you want better and more extensive changes, vote for the Democrats that can only take baby steps at the moment. When they get more control on Congress, they can make bigger steps.
When Biden was elected, Dems controlled both houses of congress. What stopped him from pushing his public option plan then?
What is stopping him from pushing to deschedule cannabis completely? Even if congress gets in his way, people would give him massive credit for actually trying.
You say we need to elect more Democrats to make bigger steps, but we did that in 2008 and 2020 and still we get baby steps. Why?
If the president is so powerless, then why are people worried about project 2025 and “dictator on day 1” Trump? Surely they must be confused, because the adults in the room like you know that the president is actually unable to pass meaningful legislation.
Please educate me since I’m completely unaware how our government works.
Dems controlled both houses of congress. What stopped him from pushing his public option plan then?
Manchin and Sinema, mainly, but also the 60-vote filibuster threshold. Forgot already?
then why are people worried about project 2025 and “dictator on day 1” Trump?
Because reasonable people don’t want the president to attempt authoritarian rule in order to progress his agenda. The fact that it is possible to do that is a big fucking issue and yet here we are, watching it happen with Trump. That doesn’t mean Biden should do it. It should not [and cannot be allowed to] happen at all.
60-vote filibuster threshold
Could have been ended forever with a simple majority vote.
When Biden was elected, Dems controlled both houses of congress. What stopped him from pushing his public option plan then?
This is completely false. They had control of the House, and a tie breaker for the Senate. But that didn’t matter much because they need 60 senators to pass legislation without Republicans impeding.
What is stopping him from pushing to deschedule cannabis completely? Even if congress gets in his way, people would give him massive credit for actually trying.
It would be the judiciary that gets in the way as well as Republicans. You’d have people saying Biden is an idiot and only doing this to make it seem he’s trying while not actually accomplishing anything. He’s making meaningful progress now. Congress is who can actually fix our marijuana laws in a federal sense.
You say we need to elect more Democrats to make bigger steps, but we did that in 2008 and 2020 and still we get baby steps. Why?
Your premise is wrong again. If you have few Democrats in control you get baby steps. If centrist and progressives had the house, and 60 senators and the executive branch, larger steps would be taken. That’s not happened in about 24 years or longer. Republicans have had that more times so you can see the progress they’ve made at bettering out country these last 24 years.
If the president is so powerless, then why are people worried about project 2025 and “dictator on day 1” Trump? Surely they must be confused, because the adults in the room like you know that the president is actually unable to pass meaningful legislation.
For the same reason it’s easier and faster to shoot someone in the face than it is to arrest them, put them on trial and imprison them, Trump isn’t going about playing by the rules, and he has many Republicans supporting him. If Biden breaks rules, both Republicans and Democrats would step in to fix that.in addition, Trump doesn’t care about what will last, short terms goals are fine with him. Biden wants legislation that will get passed and not struck down by a conservative court.
This is completely false. They had control of the House, and a tie breaker for the Senate. But that didn’t matter much because they need 60 senators to pass legislation without Republicans impeding.
They could have changed the senate rules to do away with the filibuster forever with the simple majority they possessed. They chose not to.
If the president is so powerless, then why are people worried about project 2025 and “dictator on day 1” Trump? Surely they must be confused, because the adults in the room like you know that the president is actually unable to pass meaningful legislation.
I can never tell when someone is arguing in bad faith or legitimately saying something off-their-rocker.
Doesn’t senate require at least 60 votes to avoid filibuster?
And 50 + a tiebreaking vote by the vice president to end the Jim Crow filibuster forever.
If the president is so powerless, then why are people worried about project 2025 and “dictator on day 1” Trump? Surely they must be confused, because the adults in the room like you know that the president is actually unable to pass meaningful legislation.
If Biden gave the order to eliminate his political opponents, nothing would happen because the amount of Biden fanatics is pretty low. Trump has enough fanatics in his ranks (which include a lot of military/police) that they would just do it, legality be damned. And with the current supreme court legality is a fluid concept in favor of republicans, and they know it.
Lowering insulin prices is great, but its just another bandaid on the gaping, infected would that is the US healthcare system.
We have completely lost to Big Business at this point. No leader is willing to attack them and make meaningful legislation to rein them in because (stupidly) wealth growth revolves around financial markets and not actual production of goods. If you mess with the stock market you ruin everything from retirements to people’s employment. So government’s hands are tied and all they can do is treat the symptoms instead of the disease.
And it was Sanders who actually got the Insulin reduction through, Biden just kind of accepted it as a win once it became inevitable.
People’s memory is so freaking short.
That’s how all of this works. Trump would have refused to sign it had it been brought to his desk. The president at best can block bills or try to set an agenda as party leader. Everything else relies on the house and Senate. Which we should remember they gave Sanders more power and important committee placement just for this reason.
I voted for Sanders in the primary twice. I would have loved to see him as president. However I think he’s been more productive as a Democrat senator than he realistically would have been able to as president.
The more primary votes for Sanders and for progressive candidates, the more likely are their ideas to make it onto the party platform, and the more likely they are to be appointed to positions of influence. It’s not all or nothing, but many bits and pieces where it all counts
Well we will never know because the DNC decided they get to pick the candidate not the people
If you have proof of that you should come forward with it. All of those pissy whining and moaning people who’ve been making these claims all these years well thank you.
I voted for Sanders twice in the primary. But even I’m not delusional enough to still be making these claims this far on. As much as I hate to say it Clinton and Biden did both win the Democratic primaries. Neither one of them were my first pics. But they won fair and square no matter what you are trying to will to come in to being.
You voted for Sanders twice and didn’t follow any of the legal proceedings or statements actually on record from the DNC? I don’t know what kind of slack jawed political corespondent you think you are but obviously you’re misinformed. The very fact you’re disingenuous and negatively insulting with your reply says it all. They won the Democratic primaries, sure. Fair and square? No fucking way.
I did. I simply don’t have to lie and misrepresent things like accelerationist Marxist leninists do 🙂
lol you’re like the perfect Lemmy parody at this point. Even got some name calling in because I have an account on .ml? You’re a child.
For anyone else, lets go to the DNC’s responses when questioned on whether their elections are fair and balanced
we could have voluntarily decided that, Look, we’re gonna go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That’s not the way it was done. But they could have. And that would have also been their right… - DNC attorney Bruce Spiva. DNC lawyers have argued and continue to argue that the Democratic Party doesn’t owe anyone a fair process. It has every right to disregard its own rules or interpret its rules how it wants because it is a private organization
Bruce Spiva, representing the DNC, made the argument that would eventually carry the day: … as he explained how the DNC worked, Spiva made a hypothetical argument that the party wasn’t really bound by the votes cast in primaries or caucuses. “The party has the freedom of association to decide how it’s gonna select its representatives to the convention and to the state party,” said Spiva. “Even to define what constitutes evenhandedness and impartiality really would already drag the court well into a political question and a question of how the party runs its own affairs. The party could have favored a candidate. I’ll put it that way.”
We do have plans for highspeed rail, we’re building it in California, Navada, Florida, and the north east corridor right now, with plans to extend the network and add new lines.
Biden has also been funding renewable energy, and fighting inflation, forgiving student debt, and providing funding for first time home buyers.
We absolutely still need a public option for healthcare, and to decriminalize cannabis, but I don’t think you’re giving him enough credit. Biden has done more to help unions than Clinton or Obama. He’s been getting a lot done with a divided congress.
In 2008, both China and the US announced competing high speed rail initiatives.
According to wikipedia, China now has 43,000 km of high speed rail. The US has 80 km of high speed rail.
Yes Cali has plans for high speed rail, its pretty much the same plan from 2008.
And going down your list- renewable energy, fighting inflation, student debt forgiveness, homebuyer assistance - all of these are tepid, surface level initiatives that do not solve the underlying problems. So you’re right, I dont give Biden much credit.
In 2008
Check calendar
As it turns out, as the date changes the world changes as well. Sometimes you can’t have it all, sometimes plans have to change.
Sorry you don’t like the progress we have made 👉👈
I’m not asking for “it all”, I don’t expect it to be perfect. I’m just pointing out the glaring contrast- China successfully built high speed rail, and the US has failed (so far)
I dont like the progress we have made because I believe in the promise of America. America can do so much better. We should be building rail just as fast as China, but instead we are building at 1% of their pace and people like you call it “progress”.
I agree with everything you said here except America having promise. America doesn’t have promise, it’s been holding the world back for a long time now, and bullying all the other nations. It would be best for it to crash and burn like all the other nations it made crash and burn.
Mask off “leftist” moment here
I think the fact I am English has as much bearing on this opinion as being left-adjacent. My country helped form the United States, and many of us (not just leftists) are disturbed at what has happened since we were kicked out. I mean it’s a common stereotype here that Americans are dumb, fat, and racist.
Can you actually say I am wrong? America is known for modeling in foreign affairs, sponsoring coups and starting civil wars, and just straight up invading places. You’re even worse than China, and China has a bad track record.
Man, the self-righteous delusion going on in this place.
Libs are SOOO desperate to believe something other than reality (not you, your haters).
Progress makes us realize how far behind we still are. But we still need to make progress, we can’t just do nothing and pretend it’s fine.
but the only way to make Biden look good is to compare him to Trump
In a recent survey of 154 historical scholars measuring presidential ranking through the accomplishments of all 45 presidents, Biden ranked 14th, while Trump ranked dead last.
Its easy to say Trump makes another presidential option look good, because that’s absolutely true. But it’s a little dishonest to say that Biden’s not a decent president with a list of accomplishments that stand independent of Trump.
decent president
Personally, I believe Biden forfeited any claims to decency when he went on national television and lied to the American people about seeing pictures of 40 beheaded babies. This gruesome story, proved false by any serious accounting of Oct. 7th, was told to justify the ongoing genocide in Gaza.
But I guess I’m just an idealist.
You’re right, totally the exact same as trump
Using Trump as an excuse for deplorable behavior is not a good look. We need to do better than a race to the bottom.
I like the royal “we” like as a collective we all are capable of doing better. Look around. We are fighting just so we don’t get an actual fascist.
As long as half the nation wants someone like Trump, we have to do what it takes to make sure that doesn’t happen, because if it does we may not be able to pick someone better next time.
“A little dishonest”
A lot more than a little.
‘ban masks’ - hilarious how libs pretend to care about covid when it was Biden that ‘ended’ it (along with all the payouts to people)
Stop being genocidal demons (and apologizing for them) and maybe people will be able to tell the parties apart.
Funny that you equate masks with COVID when it wasn’t even mentioned. Masks aren’t only for COVID prevention, you know?
Cool, there’s still plenty of covid out there, my issue is with how the Biden regime “ended” covid with plenty of cases still out there, because it was politically convenient to do so.
You forgot that genocide joe did genocide a lot of brown people
The thing is, you’re not wrong, the problem is, the alternative would gladly do more genocide.
It’s a shit system, two parties gives you little voice for change, but you are currently stuck with picking a bad version of a worse version.
At least Joe has made threats to withdraw giving infinite resources to Israel, even if it’s too little too late, it’s still, sadly the better than the alternative.
How is abortion helping society? Can’t afford a baby? Don’t have intercourses. Masturbate, porn, tantra, condoms, pill contraceptives
How is abortion helping society?
It provides a safe and effective means for women to terminate unwanted pregnancies.
Unwanted pregnancies comes from volountary actions as i already stated. Being less bitchy contributes to society. Giving away unwanted children through foster helps society. Not killing babies and selling the parts to military and pharmaceutical complexes so they can research ethnobioweapons. Safe, dig more you will discover it is not safe as many using abortion practices become sterile, effective, dig more and you will discover that many of the cancers now women fights stems from abortion practices.
Fucking pro democrat propaganda is rampant lately. Anyone who dares to criticize the hillary clinton party is immediately a fascist. Your two party system is broken and this election is only a symptom.
Your two party system is broken
We know this, but that doesn’t prevent voting blue from being the best route to changing it
How many times they had the presidency and the congress and haven’t changed shit? They don’t want to improve your politics because they ate all rich fucks who got rich off of your hard work.
No change >> making things worse
How many times they had the presidency and the congress and haven’t changed shit?
In the past two decades? Maybe 4 years total, less than that. And Congress was on a razor edge margin last time.
The first time was under Obama and we got the ACA, which forced health insurance to cover cancer patients (who were kicked off in the middle of treatment before).
The second time was just recently where we got all the Biden Administration accomplishments listed in this chat. Infrastructure. IRS funding for wealthy tax cheats. Cheaper prescription drugs. Weed. The list goes on.
What’s that? You weren’t genuinely asking? You actually don’t know or care about any of this? Ok cool…
Voting blue is the best route to maintain it. It’s likely it would get worse under Trump, sure, but the Democrats have no material interests in going against their donors.
Outside pressure gets change.
True, but not voting doesn’t apply pressure. Voting 3rd party might but it’s a very risky move.
I never suggested it did, lol.
Israeli DNC bots in overdrive. They would rather go full tankie MAGA mode than facr reality.
Those are the best examples to reference their differences?
The infrastructure bill is ridiculously big, but also:
Make trans people illegal
Ban anything that’s not “choose one” voting
Absurd gerrymandering
Trying to overturn elections
Deficit inducing tax cuts for the mega-rich
Trying to kill social security
Dictator for a day
Arguing the president can have political rivals assassinated
Trying to kill the post office
Trying to kill the IRS
Intentionally putting in incompetent leaders
Giving state secrets to Russia
Trying to hand Ukraine over to RussiaDon’t worry - it’ll never be enough.
Trying to hand Ukraine over to Russia
i like how this one is thrown in here like we bought ukraine or something.
Lol, bad phrasing, you know what I meant. If we stop supporting Ukraine Russia will be their owners.
yeah, it’s only a matter of time before they try buying back alaska anyway lol.
I explicitly remember saying “no backsies.”
Right, there’s a much better pool of things for juxtaposition. Though most of that is stuff Republicans have done since long before MAGA. A couple are a little too bipartisan.
Nonetheless I am glad the reclassification of Marijuana was announced yesterday to complete the list.
I’m pretty happy about the passenger rail expansions myself.
The cap on overdraft fees is also nice.
Yeah, I get that. Captures the general vibe.
I wouldn’t be too excited about the passenger rail expansion without diving further into it. Basically, the bulk of the HSR funding is being given to a private company with a bad track record. It will be another Amtrak situation in a decade or less once again (also suggest diving into the history of Amtrak and why it came to be).
i think we need to dissolve amtrak honestly. Legally mandate that a rail company cannot own anything outside of state bounds.
Force them to cooperate, it’ll make them less miserable.
Amtrak is actually a government program that helped save passenger rail after it became unsustainable with the private companies. It’s a fascinating history that they simply don’t teach the general populace.
In October 1970, Congress passed, and President Richard Nixon signed into law, the Rail Passenger Service Act.[26] Proponents of the bill, led by the National Association of Railroad Passengers (NARP), sought government funding to ensure the continuation of passenger trains. They conceived the National Railroad Passenger Corporation (NRPC), a quasi-public corporation that would be managed as a for-profit organization, but which would receive taxpayer funding and assume operation of intercity passenger trains.[7][27][28]
There were several key provisions:[29]
- Any railroad operating intercity passenger service could contract with the NRPC, thereby joining the national system.
- The United States federal government, through the Secretary of Transportation, would own all of the NRPC’s issued and outstanding preferred stock.[30]
- Participating railroads bought into the NRPC using a formula based on their recent intercity passenger losses. The purchase price could be satisfied either by cash or rolling stock; in exchange, the railroads received NRPC common stock.
- Any participating railroad was freed of the obligation to operate intercity passenger service after May 1, 1971, except for those services chosen by the Department of Transportation (DOT) as part of a “basic system” of service and paid for by NRPC using its federal funds.
- Railroads that chose not to join the NRPC system were required to continue operating their existing passenger service until 1975, at which time they could pursue the customary ICC approval process for any discontinuance or alteration to the service.
Of the 26 railroads still offering intercity passenger service in 1970, only six declined to join the NRPC.[31]
The original working brand name for NRPC was Railpax, but less than two weeks before operations began, the official marketing name was changed to Amtrak, a portmanteau of the words America and trak, the latter itself a sensational spelling of track.
Nooooo :( if I were American dictator I would just say fuck it and build a mag-lev network that averaged 250 from station to station.
or just do any of the many examples that the rest of the world is successful with. HSR in America isn’t actually High speed rail anyways
Amtrak’s Acela is the United States’ only true high-speed rail service, reaching 150 mph (240 km/h) over 49.9 mi (80.3 km) of track along the Northeast Corridor.[2] Acela trains will reach top speeds of 160 mph (255 km/h) when new trainsets enter service in 2024.[3] Other services, like Amtrak’s Northeast Regional and Brightline, have a top speed of 125 mph (200 km/h) and are usually not considered high-speed rail.
Brightline, while marketing itself as high-speed rail, more closely meets the definition of higher-speed rail. Despite having a top speed of 125 mph (201 km/h) along 20 mi (32 km) of newly built track, most of the route is limited to a top speed of 110 mph (180 km/h) due to the presence of grade crossings.[4] link
Brightline is the company which received the funding for the California-Nevada HSR, it’s a public company that’s already coming under scrutiny for their practices and costs vs their projections. I guess I need to do a write-up to link to whenever the HSR comes up with the infrastructure bill.
edit: forgot to add link for the wiki I was referencing.
Yeah but a 250 average mag-lev is already possible from a technical standpoint. The Chinese and the Japanese have trains that can do it. Almost certainly the Chinese stole their design from the Japanese, but whatever. Plus, with that minimum it makes an overnight trip across the country extremely reasonable, and it makes a lot of medium day trips possible too. For example, Denver to Chicago would be only 4 hours.
R doesn’t even take legislative action that help their own voters. Meanwhile, all the shit they fight against Dems doing would help plenty of R voters, too. Their entire platform is taking things away from people, culture wars, vilification of education, and making voting as difficult as possible.
If you are voting R at this point, it can be for no reason other than one or more of these labels applies to you: Bigot, Unrepentant Misogynist, or can’t think any further than your own team winning.
Pic unrelated, because they didn’t just allow, they helped. They insisted.
It doesn’t matter what Democrats do (or attempt in a politically hostile environment that tries to sabotage anything and everything they do), the bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe assholes will ignore it, or flip it and force-jam it into their always lazy, cynical and oh-so-savvy, mediocre narrative.
You were right below this comment, which made me giggle: https://lemm.ee/comment/12027888
Yooo remember when the Economy crashed in 2008 and Obama totally didn’t bail out the banks like the Republicans?
Me neither lol blue maga all the way boys!
No one’s buying “blue maga”.
First off: Bush was President in 2008. The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (the bank bailout that started the Troubled Assets Relief Program) was signed into law on October 3rd, 2008 - 2 months before Obama was elected into office and 4 months before he took office.
Second: Obama reduced the bailout by over 30% after taking office and the money was spent a little more wisely on reinvestment instead of simply giving the banks free money, which lead us to…
Third: in the end the government actually profited over 120 billion dollars.
So, yeah. Democrats handled the economy better. Just like they have since (checks notes) all of modern history.
A large portion of the personal wealth in America is concentrated in real estate (mortgage debt).
When Obama became president, he could have easily bailed out the 9 million American homeowners (predominantly low income black and Hispanic families), but instead he chose Wall Street, effectively facilitating the largest transfer of wealth from the black community to private capital in history.
In this sense, Obama prevented future generations of black communities from ever becoming homeowners again.
Similar trends are also happening under Biden’s policies today, the so-called “Bidenomics” where black unemployment has risen much faster than other demographics. These are all austerity measures designed to make poor minorities bear the brunt of the economic impact if only to slow the crumbling of the system itself.
But since “the government actually profited” it’s all good, right?
Tankie economics: it’s not Democrats fault! Bush did it! He signed a law a few months ago and as we all know it’s impossible to overturn laws! Good thing we all elected the Democrat because we didn’t want Bush’s laws!
Barack Hussein Obama II (born August 4, 1961) is an American politician who served as the 44th president of the United States from 2009 to 2017
Why are so many people taking you seriously? 🤣
The only one taking him seriously is himself, everyone else knows he’s an idiot.
Take note of it’s name, you’ll see it around.
You know the federal reserve turned a profit from their intervention during the Great Recession era, right? Like, you don’t actually think it was just Obama throwing helicopter money, right?
Mental gymnastics go so far you now have people saying that 2008 was actually a good thing.
Blue MAGA is a cult.
Oh boy more libshit lesser evilism! My favorite!
A table full of money would be things like “government-provided healthcare” and “drugs legalized”, not “one specific healthcare need made affordable” and “one of the most mild illegal drugs made slightly less illegal”.
Stop supporting genocide.
Stop supporting Iran, Russia, China and North Korea
No. 😎
Continue supporting genocide comrade
They love Russia, China, and North Korea’s stance on LGBT rights. I mean, what are a few murdered queer folk when you have important things like Anti-Imperialist Imperialism™ to support?
Do you think Israel’s bombs don’t blow up queer Palestinians?
Do you think Israel’s bombs don’t blow up queer Palestinians?
Did I say they didn’t? But whatever non-sequiturs you need to insert to continue worshipping the torture and execution of LGBT people by your favorite ‘anti-imperialist’ countries. :)
I’m just supporting the lesser of two evils.
These countries aren’t perfect, but I’m not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Isn’t that what you keep telling me to do?
The US committed genocide in Korea actually. If you think China is doing genocide, compare Xinjiang province to Gaza and see the fucking difference. Six times as many children have died in six months of war in Gaza compared to over two years of war in Ukraine, a country with 14 times the population size. Iran has done some executions, never something like this. None of the countries you’ve listed have committed a horror on this scale. This is unparalleled in the modern world.
Stop your whataboutism.
The US committed genocide in Korea actually.
Stop your whataboutism.
It’s like you aren’t even trying, lmao.
You missed my point. The U.S. dropped a total of 635,000 tons of bombs (including 32,557 tons of napalm) on Korea, more than during the entire Pacific War. 2-3 million Koreans died because of US involvement from one sided massacres, starvation, and disease. The only genocide that happened was done by our side. Why are they listing “North Korea” as a country that is guilty of genocide? It’s a fucking joke.
Why are they listing “North Korea” as a country that is guilty of genocide?
Because they are. But we all understand that you don’t care about queer folk in other countries, as long as you’re safe.
lmao
Coming from someone who has openly yearned for a Trump presidency?
The blame lies entirely with the party if Trump gets elected. Maybe another 4 years of that lunatic will make them learn. Doubtful.
Try selling this Biden or bust shit to the Muslim-American community who may not turn out in droves to vote for him. Are you going to insult their collective intelligence and question their integrity if Biden fails to get another term? Democrats just take their votes for granted and don’t think they have to earn them.
Coming from someone who has been on several weeks of mandatory leave from work because I started self harming in public after listening to yet another fucking horror show coming out of Gaza. I had to be sent home because I was crying and hitting myself.
How do you live with yourself? I’m genuinely curious, because I can barely do it. I’ve had to stop listening to news in the car or I’ll drive into traffic. I’m voting for Aaron Bushnell because they’re far braver than me. I hope Trump has a heart attack.
Coming from someone who has been on several weeks of mandatory leave from work because I started self harming in public after listening to yet another fucking horror show coming out of Gaza. I had to be sent home because I was crying and hitting myself.
Which makes it all the more insane that you’ve openly yearned for a Trump presidency.
How do you live with yourself? I’m genuinely curious, because I can barely do it. I’ve had to stop listening to news in the car or I’ll drive into traffic. I’m voting for Aaron Bushnell because they’re far braver than me. I hope Trump has a heart attack.
By doing what I can, and keeping in mind the historical perspective.
Tomorrow isn’t going to be a fucking utopia. Even an overwhelming, sudden, and ideologically ‘pure’ victory won’t bring a utopia tomorrow. But we fight day by day, and generation by generation, to make a better world.
By doing what I can,
By doing what you can without sacrificing an ounce of your own comfort. You’ve never fought for anything in your life.
Students are out there getting their heads bashed in for protesting genocide. That is what fighting for a better world looks like.
By doing what you can without sacrificing an ounce of your own comfort. You’ve never fought for anything in your life.
lmao
You keep thinking that, buddy. :)
Oh, goodness. I just considered - is this projection?
If that’s the case, there are alternatives to tormenting yourself over the fact that you aren’t ‘radical’ enough to do what you think you need to.
Get a grip, talk to a therapist or trusted friend. It’s OK to not be plugged in 24/7. “If it bleeds it leads” is true and being inundated with horror constantly absolutely wears you down.
I’m literally mandated to talk to a therapist to keep my job now.
But I don’t think it’s okay to tune out. I’m complicit. I deserve to suffer for that. People who tune out are rejecting the responsibility they have to their victims to hear their stories and learn their names. I can’t look away, I don’t have that right.
You have a terrible therapist.
Children dying under the rubble don’t get therapists. I’m lucky I can talk to someone, but I don’t deserved to feel better. I deserve to suffer.
But that doesn’t mean the rest of us have to. Maybe take a break for a bit.
I’ve never seen anyone say both sides are the same but lots of people say neither side is acceptable.
Hilarious.
I’ve run across the latter too.
They’re the ones you can’t get to admit they’re getting one of these whether they like it or not and try to convince others the worse of the two is more desirable for some fucking reason.
But they’re “leftists” lol.
I’ve never seen anyone who thinks neither candidate is acceptable try to argue for one over the other.
I know personally plenty of people who advocate sitting this one out and some like myself who say we ought to vote third party (psl in my case) though.
I’m really surprised the dyed in the wool true believer dems aren’t pushing for ol genocide Joe to step down at the convention.
like myself who say we ought to vote third party
You’re exactly who I’m talking about then.
You’re getting one of the two in the picture (Dem or Rep nominee). You can help mitigate damage or not. /shrug.
I’ll just go ahead and post my next reply now to save us both some time:
“My vote doesn’t matter because I’m in a $color state” said millions of people.
So what’s your red line? If genocide isn’t enough to get you to turn your back on the democrats at the very least unless they drop Biden from the ticket, how far is too far? How bad can it get before you decide it’s more important to support a third party you actually believe in?
Mine wasn’t even the genocide.
I’m not sure what about the logic of “we’re getting one of these two” isn’t getting through.
- One of these two are going to be elected
- One is clearly better than the other
- Voting for the better of the two has a chance to mitigate damage and has already proven to be a better choice once before
As soon as #2 stops being true I’ll have to reevaluate.
I will celebrate #1 being false if I ever live to see first past the post die in this country but I’m not holding my breath.
I get over what I wish would happen and deal with facts.
Okay, but like I asked, when do you turn your back on that and work toward something else? When do you say to yourself “it doesn’t matter which of these two are better by whatever metric, I won’t stand by and assent to either of them”?
Surely some action by the Biden administration is far enough beyond the pale to make you look for a different option, right?
Even if you took a purely utilitarian approach, at some point both major parties are so far beyond what you consider acceptable that the effect of a third party vote cast with full knowledge that party won’t win is of greater utility than some poison compromise.
Surely some action by the Biden administration is far enough beyond the pale to make you look for a different option, right?
What other option?
This bullshit is exactly what I was talking about. “C’mon, let’s vote third party. I know we can’t win, but morals.”
And elect Trump? Fuck no.
Surely some action by the Biden administration is far enough beyond the pale to make you look for a different option, right?
many liberals do not have a cutoff point here. if Democrats were having people executed in the streets, they would argue that more people would be executed in the streets under Republicans, so leftists who don’t vote Democrat are morally bankrupt and effectively on the side of the Republicans.
oh, wait, that’s literally their argument for this election, it’s just that said streets and people happen to not be the good ol’ US of A.
File this under “facts I just made up”
The one that says
This Year’s Ballot:
___ Fascism
___ Snooze (4 years)
sums it up.
I wish. There is no reason a country’s leadership should be exciting or dramatic. Get on with doing your job
Me when my favorite color isn’t red or blue:
