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Land of the thief, home of the slave.
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“But it was the republican-appointed SCOTUS judges who rammed their agenda through, because you people let trump through the door in 2016, you allowed this to happen and seem intent on letting it happen over and over again.”
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The Democrats have had decades to ensure abortion access would be guaranteed, but they decided not to and allowed it to be overturned. Both parties were absolutely happy to do nothing and just raise funds over abortion, but the Republicans had to actually try to force a change.
If there is a pile of brushwood and gasoline containers next to my house, and my husband wants to light it on fire while my mother wants to keep it there, neither of those people is actually trying to make the situation better.
I’m very curious about what the democrats were supposed to do to guarantee abortion access, perhaps you can clarify this for me. Were they supposed to pass a law that somehow would be immune to repeal from the next republican congress? Executive order? Amend the constitution? Some other form of legislative or executive magic I’m unfamiliar with?
And your analogy of a literal arsonist being the same as another person just keeping some resources handy is actually very interesting - because by extension, you think that democrats should anticipate and prevent all possible fire-starting the republicans might do, and when they don’t, they’re just as bad?
They have been passing laws and changing constitutions at the state level for the past 18 months. Clearly there was political will for that, but they chose to sit on their thumbs and do nothing.
Something bad isn’t made better just because you compare it to something worse.
You didn’t answer the question.
I did though. Republicans spent the past 40 years saying they want to overturn Roe vs. Wade, and the Democrats did nothing to make that more difficult. Obama had a supermajority in 2009 and could have passed a national law protecting abortion rights, but didnt. States that swing back and forth could have passed similar laws that protected abortion, or put forth ballot initiatives to defend it, but didn’t. They knew what the Republicans wanted to do, and did nothing to prevent it.
Having the political will to do something now has zero to do with having the political will ten or fifteen years ago when it literally wasn’t a problem. Further, this idea that the democrats should just spend all their time and political energy finding ways to prevent all future possibilities of republicans doing bad stuff is stupid on its face, as it’s a flatly impossible task (both in scope and actual ability) and takes away from time spent solving other problems.
Obama had a supermajority in 2009 and could have passed a national law protecting abortion rights, but didnt.
I specifically asked in my prior comment what would stop republicans from repealing such a law when they had control, such as in 2017.
States that swing back and forth could have passed similar laws that protected abortion, or put forth ballot initiatives to defend it, but didn’t. They knew what the Republicans wanted to do, and did nothing to prevent it.
Man, the same thing over and over. Political will rarely exists to fix problems that might happen, it exists to fix problems that are material.
You know, climate change is important to me, so I think democrats should be expending all their efforts to make the EPA more durable so the next republican congress/administration doesn’t ruin it. Oh wait, anything they pass into law can be repealed by the next congress? Executive orders can be revoked? People can be appointed to run government organizations that only have an interest in destroying that organization? Things can be undone?!
Man, maybe prior administrations should have done some sort of magic with the Iran deal/Paris Accords/[any issue the Trump admin undid] so it couldn’t have been undone. I don’t know what that magic is, and its probably anti-democratic, but you seem convinced it exists.
Interesting, the one who doesn’t want to burn your house down is equal to the person who does want to burn your house down in your mind?
Neither one wants to do what you want so both are equally bad to you, what a shit take.
The solution is to remove the danger, or else your house willburn down sooner or later.
How do we remove the danger? Specifically? Things the average person can do that will actually help.
All the average person can do is tell their representatives at the local and federal level what they expect in exchange for their vote. “Vote Blue no matter who” doesntlead to amy actual change unless you leverage your vote for actual policy changes. MAGA is the open admission of what the GOP has been pushing the last few decades actually realized. Republicans who didn’t offer what the base wanted were replaced by people willing to push for that reprehensible agenda. Pressure you representatives to actually protect human rights and replace them if theu won’t do it. The people have actual power, progressives have jist been conditioned to not wield ot since that threatens the power structure in Washington.
That’s not an option you have right now.
The choice is between burning it down NOW or not.
You should probably ask yourself why you don’t have the option to actually reduce harm. Republicans jave no problem getting their representatives to do what they want. So why do Democrats struggle so much?
Because the Democrats are the big tent party. Republicans are backed by a bunch of idiots, WASPS, and single issue voters. The Democrats have entire core elements that vary by state and region, from urban progressive whites to rural socially conservative minorities sith both groups only agreeing on economics for example.
The fact is up until recently the Democrats have had to juggle even more groups that have fallen off, for example in my area there is an Iranian minority that used to back the Democrats but have turned to the Republicans because of LGBTQ issues, because they are a bigoted bunch of weaklings.
The point is that the Dems have been fighting themselves as much as the Republicans, which has hindered them quite a lot. The reason for the increased effectiveness in recent times is due to some demographics shrinking, disappearing, or otherwise realigning with more of the national average. Also the Republicans got a helluva lot worse.
their answer to raging forest fires destroying 1000s of homes each year:
just put it out bro. it’s so easy, lol.
Then why goto the doctor for a checkup?
She’s not wrong, a doctor doesn’t need specifics for a checkup.
That entirely depends on where you are going, what insurance networks they deal with, and what the appointment was scheduled for.
Going in for a sinus infection, yeah that’s probably not going to be necessary. Going in for a women’s wellness check up? They are probably going to have to input something depending on the forms the institution uses for electronic medical records.
Certain insurances will utilize specific metrics to determine reimbursement. If you don’t document certain information they may use it as an excuse not to reimburse the provider.
In some anti-abortion states, the information in question can potentially be used as evidence in a murder trial for having sought an abortion. A prosecutor can potentially use the timing of that previous period to suggest fetal age at the time of a future abortion may be greater than the law allows.
Doctors don’t need that information. Insurance companies surely don’t need that information.
You’ll have to start buying tampons in bulk, lest retail starts telling on you
In some anti-abortion states, the information in question can potentially be used as evidence in a murder trial for having sought an abortion.
Yes, I understand that. I practice pediatric medicine in the most conservative state in the nation.
Doctors don’t need that information.
Again, this is circumstantial. Menstruation cycles are still very important to certain types of medical care. It is unsafe to suggest that no doctor can be trusted with this type of information.
Most of the reasons why physicians ask these questions is purely out of concern for your health and for liability purposes. Certain medications can be dangerous to prescribe to a person who is unknowingly pregnant.
Insurance companies surely don’t need that information.
I wasn’t validating the insurance companies reasoning, just informing why physicians and other medical providers may ask these questions.
Doctor patient confidentiality is not absolute, and even if it were, the associated records are not. They are subject to subpoena in certain circumstances.
It is unsafe to suggest that no doctor can be trusted with this type of information.
It is unsafe to suggest that they can. Safety isn’t on the menu here. You can only get it with a referendum. Or a guillotine.
It is unsafe to suggest that they can. Safety isn’t on the menu here. You can only get it with a referendum. Or a guillotine.
You are misconstruing health and legal safety. There is already an alarming lack of women’s reproductive care, and America already has the highest maternal mortality rate of any wealthy nation.
Your suggestion that you should fear talking about a provider out of concern for the slim possibility that you will be prosecuted for having an abortion is outright dangerous.
How many people have been jailed so far for this information? Now weigh that against the amount of just black women who die every year for lack of prenatal care. What you are spreading is not only dangerous, but reeks of privilege.
There is already an alarming lack of women’s reproductive care,
How’s the health care in prison?
Your suggestion that you should fear talking about a provider out of concern for the slim possibility that you will be prosecuted for having an abortion is outright dangerous.
Indeed, it is. As is your suggestion that the possibility of prosecution is “slim”. We have highly motivated people seriously promoting pregnancy registries. They believe such registries are necessary to prevent murder.
Now weigh that against the amount of just black women who die every year for lack of prenatal care. What you are spreading is not only dangerous, but reeks of privilege.
You’re hand waving away even the possibility of civil or criminal penalties for seeking healthcare, and I’m the one who sounds privileged?
Yeah, women should just avoid doctors and routine checkups altogether/S
It’s like trying to buy alcohol from a legal market - the seller will absolutely rat you out to the cops to protect themselves and their business. Same thing, you can’t trust them if you’re potentially breaking the law. Sadly, this is going on for women simply being suspected of getting pregnant so the government can keep tabs on them. It’s gross
This is likely in the context of abortion bans in some US states. Presumably they still trust the doctor to do a regular checkup for everything else.
And, the doctor may not have a choice. Even if they’re asking for purely medical-history reasons, they may have to put the information into a system (according to their employer or insurance company or for their own records), and that system may be subject to information gathering from hostile parties.
Every time I’ve gone to the doctor in the US since several years before I actually had my first period (I was a late bloomer), I’ve been asked about the date of my last period. Since I moved to Germany (a country with a longer life expectancy than the US), I’ve only been asked if I could be pregnant before X-rays and prescriptions or when it’s been relevant to my visit (abdominal cramps, unexplained vomiting, etc.). I understand if you didn’t realize that it’s asked for absolutely everything or if you thought it was actually necessary, but it’s both constant and unnecessary.
Yeah it’s like asking about your last bowel movement. Potentially important to your health, but probably not pertinent
This is horrific but being discussed in such a light manner.
I’m going to guess this person lives in one of those shithole theocracies.
Yeah, the post said it right at the end. America.
out of the loop, why get rid of doctor’s? whadda hell happened?
It’s regarding the overturned Roe vs Wade supreme Court decision.
damn, I’m so sorry.
What’s the context for this? Did a doctor rat someone out or something?
Don’t American doctors have to report pregnancies now that abortion is illegal?
Not in every state, just majority Republican like Texas, but there are people pushing for it federally.
Some doctors have provided sensitive information to authorities, and also there are politicians pushing for legislation that would make protected medical info accessible to LEO and other such parties.
Yuck.
Strong agree
Off the top of my head, I remember an article from Reddit on privacy a bit ago where a nurse told authorities that a lady didn’t want a pregnancy.
I’m so glad I got sterilized once the RvW info got leaked. I wish I could thank whomever leaked it. In my eyes, they’re a hero.
I am Canadian and offered on my Facebook page to mail abortion pills to Americans, got IMMEDIATELY banned for 30 days, and was interviewed by Vice about that. Facebook is complicit.
I’m not one to defend Facebook, the execs can burn in hell for all I care, but they do have to comply with the laws of countries or else face being sued by some litigious Americans.
Let me ask you this. Are you still on Facebook?
Me myself was not happy with the influx of misinformation on there 10 years ago and I’ve not used the site since, or Instagram or WhatsApp.
Full disclosure: we use ReactJS at work.
Yes because I have a lot of friends from a previous social media platform and that’s the only way we can stay connected.
Hey, each to their own, but I’m prepared to make sacrifices for the things I believe.
I don’t shop on Amazon, and some things I just can’t find elsewhere so I just don’t buy them.
As mentioned I don’t use WhatsApp so I miss out on group chats as my friends won’t use signal.
The list is quite long at this point.
I just find it odd that you’ll call out Facebook for being complicit but do nothing about it.
If I had a better way to universally keep in touch I would.
I really appreciate your dedication but most of us are just trying to get by. I mean the fact that we’re engaging with you on this platform instead of others is worth something.
Personally I am old enough that I have never had social media. ICQ then AIM were the way people connected when I was young. Many of the people my age have Facebook accounts, but it’s not like they’re on there obsessing daily.
My wife deleted her Facebook a couple years ago and I was so proud of her.
Please be careful. Your heart is in the right place but if you keep cutting people out over a shitty choice of platform you might end up out of friends.
Thank you for your kind words, and I didn’t mean to come across as combative or anything, I was just voicing my thoughts.
As for losing friends, if my friends don’t believe in the same things as me then I really should find friends I have more in common with.
Full disclosure I’ve done some fucked up things in my life and my way of making amends is speaking of for the people less fortunate than I am and taking a stand for the things I believe, whether it makes a difference or not.
Get rid of doctors?
Period tracking. It’s not safe in the US anymore.
Oooooooh this went from weird conspiracy to actual legitimate concern quite quickly.
It is without question no joke.
I like this N.J. way to talk to doctors: “don’t worry about it”, “it is what it is”, “who’s asking?”
What’s it to ya?!
“What are you, a cop?”
Reminds me of Johnny Tightlips:
Fat Tony: Johnny, how’s your mother?
JT: Who says I have a mother?
Johnny Tightlips, where’d they hit ya? JT: I ain’t saying nothin’ But, what do I tell the doctor? JT: Tell him to suck a lemon.
Bald eagle freedom screech intensifies.
Fun fact: the famous bald eagle freedom screech as we know it from the movies is not from an eagle, it’s the scream of a red-tailed hawk.
In reality eagles just sound like large seagulls.
Quite disappointing actually.
Seagull… E-gull…
Hmmm…
I was meaning the sound the birds make 😅
These days it’s actually the screech of the yellow bellied, tail tucked misogynist.
They actually sound like deranged seagulls. I think that sound is probably more on the nose for what is going on in the US.
Reminder to use Drip to track menstruation as every other comparable app I have found features telemetry and shouldn’t be trusted.
I’m so glad I’m old and dried up.
Hey it’s the sovcit whisperer!
Haha hello. I do exist all over Lemmy.
Could have come up with a better name. This one is almost horror like.
What’s The meme here?
Mods should remove posts which don’t stay on topic
Good one. As far as I can tell there are no moderators.
They should, but this is a political topic meme.
But it’s not
Yes it is.
Didnt you know? Screenshots of text are they new memes
Red states are obsessed with knowing who is potentially pregnant and increasingly making legislation to punish people who appear pregnant and suddenly aren’t (ie, no periods, then abortion, then having a period). Some of that includes reporting that information, apps for tracking have already been caught sharing that info.
Thanks
I can read.
You did not answer the question.
What’s the meme here?
Memes are a form of cultural expression, spread from one person to another. This post is a meme. It’s not humorous but it is a meme
No, memes follow or aim to create a template / macro. This is just a snapshot of a Twitter post.
Meme - In popular language, a meme may refer to an Internet meme, typically an image, that is remixed, copied, and circulated in a shared cultural experience online.
This post is a meme. It is an image that is circulated in a shared cultural experience (this post and it’s many reposts)
Maybe - but “memes” like this don’t have the remix portion. It doesn’t even really have the copy portion, because this is more like a repost - the OP didn’t copy this tweet to make a similar but different point, they’re just sharing a tweet on this Lemmy community. So by this definition, it’s not really a meme.
If this were a meme, I’d be able to take it, change some key words while maintaining the general cadence, and a similar outcome with an alternate context. You can’t really do that with this screenshot of a tweet.
The image isn’t the meme here. What is memetic is the idea of withholding previously innocuous-seeming information from healthcare professionals in the interest of self-preservation.
And if you ask what’s memetic about that, I will in turn ask you what coordinated and intentional effort exists to push this concept of information withholding for safety onto American women? And when you then come back after having not found any coordinated and intentional effort, I will simply ask you then how you think this idea has spread to the point of being so easily recognizable and identifiable? Memetic discourse.
Nope! A meme is an idea that passes from person to person and evolves as it does. Image macros are simply one form of meme.
The image in the OP, nor the text within it, will be passed from person to person nor will it become the basis for parody. There has to be some criteria for a meme community to follow and any original piece of text will qualify unless there’s some amount of circulation associated with it. Otherwise what separates this community from lemmy.world/c/politics ?
Here ya go: https://imgflip.com/i/8qbioo
You say that with such certainty. Can you prognosticate about other things or just the future of memes?
It already has been passed from person to person. We wouldn’t be talking about it if it hadn’t.
You are describing image macros, which are only one single type of meme, not the only thing that can be memetic. Even philosophical concepts can be spread memetically.
I’m sorry, you simply have a misconception about what the definition of a meme is.
I would classify this as a combo INFOSEC and “OK boomer” meme, ie, “Lol, you trust _____ with that info? OK boomer”
15 years or so ago I would’ve classified it as a conspiracy nutjob meme, but that’s the state of politics.
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Congrats, you’ve become the meme here
At least now there is one. Happy to help.
Missed opportunity to use the “Look at me, I’m the meme now” meme as your response to becoming the meme.
Either you die a memer or live long enough to become the meme.
abortion ban
I tell every doctor “a few weeks ago” and then when they suggest a date I say yes. So every doctor has a different day lol. Hopefully that doesn’t come back to bite me
I thought you meant:
Doctor: “when was your last period?”
Me: “a few weeks ago.”
Doctor: “date?”
Me: yes
Doctor: great I’ll pick you up at 8
Your grandmother from Long Island highly approves!
breeding intensifies
Kinda funny how breeding fetishes kinda became more popular around the same time the right to abortion date flared up again after Dobbs
Hmm…you are definitely hanging around a different corner of the internet then I am.
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I hope you don’t live in an abortion ban state, because that very well could come back to bite you
That makes me soooo fucking angry
I do, so we will see what happens
I’m sure my governor would love to see me in jail anyway
Hey if you’re on hormonal birth control I think you can just tell them you use the method that gets rid of periods (not taking the placebo week and just continuing with the hormone pills, this is safe if you also just don’t want to have periods link)
I have an iud and besides a short time after having one removed to get pregnant with my daughter haven’t had my period in uh, 9 years? I just tell them I don’t have a period and haven’t in years and they accept that readily
If you live in a deep red state even that info will be used against you. The GOP wants to make women brood sows and any type of birth control is considered murder/going against God’s plan.
You know that “mom” voted for Trump in 2016
Why? While the post could maybe be read as a condemnation of the daughter, it could equally be read as condemning medical professionals and/or politicians legislating women’s bodies.
I read it as a mom supporting her daughter and being exasperated with the system. I didn’t even realize it could be read the other way.
We don’t know that at all.
It can be read either way, but I checked her post history and she’s no Trump supporter.
And to me it’s even simpler than that. It’s a parent noticing the state of the country means kids aren’t sharing what used to be standard answers to biological questions because there’s no faith that the system won’t stay out of their business.
Scary AF imho.
We live in a time that every human being should be practicing infosec and opsec, and that’s just fucking depressing.
I rather assumed that mom was the one who told her to keep her mouth shut,
