It’s the same thing I was saying in 2020. I’m not voting Biden, I’m voting bye don.
Genocide Joe really isn’t much different lol. Both parties are gradually shifting to the right.
2 wings, 1 bird.
One of the wings is hopelessly broken and gangrenously putrid.
Ok so maybe we attach our coconuts to a new bird then since this one is not well
I’m for that. My coconuts are aching for a bird to be attached to. (?).
Hmmm… Have you tried a swallow? Heard it can be a good way to take care of those kinds of loads.
Yes good advice, a swallow could probably handle the large loads required, especially with these big coconuts.
Which means the bird is going to fall to the ground and be eaten.
Sounds about right.
Yep. In fact I would even say the bird has already died on the ground and is incapable of being resurrected. As someone above said, it’s time to hitch our balls to a new bird and start over.
Fucking thank you! I read so much bullshit about this group or that one saying they’re not gonna support Biden because of whatever, it makes me want to scream
A lot of those people and the enlightened centrists who say “both parties are the same” are disinformation warriors and Russian bots designed to erode support for Biden. Even just 1% or 2% can make a difference in some battleground states.
Or maybe people plugging their ears and pretending everything is some giant misinformation campaign against their home team because they think they deserve the win without trying are being shocked to find they don’t have the support they think is owed to them for simply not being fascists.
If everything you hear is just some fake person with no real problems you miss the people actually complaining about their legitimate ones and feel forgotten about and at best don’t vote and at worst vote for the side that agrees that it would be fun to pick on the people perceived as above them.
Biden should at least run debates or else people are just going to be in exactly their own bubble of awareness and have his results of his presidency to work with and hopes and dreams of the other and people suck at objective looks at reality and are much more willing to believe in fairy tales than you think.
And I know my statement makes everyone foam at theouth cause “How dare I say this!” But it is what it is. You must look reality in the face of you want to have any hope controlling it.
Without arguments like these in 2016, women in the south would still be able to have abortions. If you want change, find local elections with candidates you agree with. Their campaigns typically pay well, in my experience, or you can volunteer if the pay doesn’t matter to you. It’s more fruitful than throwing your hands in the air and shouting about disenfranchisement.
Without arguments like these in 2016, women in the south would still be able to have abortions.
What the heck? What’s the logic on that? People pointing out bad candidates is why they lost? Like seriously how on earth do you blame the weather man for the rain?
Look, you have an optimistic view on this but impotent complaints don’t solve anything besides venting your frustrations. In objective USA, there are two parties on the national stage, one of which is actively, malignantly harmful. Detracting from the lesser of two evils is a boon to the greater.
I swear to god, if trump wins because of public sentiments on the internet again, I’m going to subtly inflict alcoholism upon every republican I know. Enjoy your relapses, fuckos.
Real simple. I could shut up and you would see no change. Just not hear the conversation about it directly. If you think I or any of the tiny percentage of the real world impact the Internet has is gonna be the changing factor you are incorrectly assuming and overconfidently ascribing power to what happens here. In this fraction of a fraction of a percentage.
Good luck with that prank though. Sounds like a banger of an own.
you are incorrectly assuming and overconfidently ascribing power to what happens here
How long ago were you first legally allowed to purchase alcohol?
If Biden wants those groups to stop being detractors, there is a very easy solution - simply hold a primary for DNC president, and let them cast their “other” vote there. Then Dems can galvanize support for the winning candidate in ‘24.
Unfortunately they know this won’t work due to how massively unpopular Biden is, and so they refuse. So, the problem is that DNC doesn’t want a democratically elected president, they want to try to force a genocidal dinosaur down our throats and somehow at the same time claim that the end of democracy is voting for the other guy. It’s a lose-lose for America - thanks, Biden.
Right, people who are “Biden is genocide!!” while republicans would be worse about Palestine and trump is calling for genocide against Central Americans.
I think there’s something wrong with a system that every 4 years have you pick wether you’d rather get repeatedly punched in the face or shot
Where am I being shot? Maybe it’s someplace kinda safe like the ass. I would take a bullet to the ass over being punched in the face.
This is not trump support, was a joke about how neither is a good experience. But whatever y’all
Just to name a few:
Continued support and funding to Israel with only the most tepid condemnation as people became more aware of their genocide against Palestinians.
busting the railway union which arguably, if their demand had been met, may not have had the disaster in Ohio. A move rivaled only by Regan
Despite being told that we had to fight for “kids in cages” nothing has actually come to fruition on that front
The revolution won’t happen if Biden wins 🤔
Noooo we don’t actually want reform
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It’s extremely condescending towards leftists from a vague sense of liberal superiority, like an out of touch talk show host or establishment dem.
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That’s when they call you a republican bot, lol
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No, radlibs, I don’t want a “strong republican party” as an opposition to “keep us in check.” The ones I love and care for aren’t privledged enough to play with that kind of fire. I want cooperation and a movement for leftist organization.
Thing is, people have lots of reasons to not like Biden. I assume my reasons, for instance, are probably completely different from your reasons. But that’s what you get when the guy is actually responsible for things. He’ll need to make some decisions that almost nobody likes. That doesn’t yet make them wrong decisions, or the totality of his governance wrong.
Or when they say but he’s the most progressive president since fdr
True but that just show how far right the country has been.
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Ya know, almost 3 years into Biden’s presidency and I’ve only seen like 4 Biden bumper stickers.
I’ve seen 6 trump bumper stickers this week.
What is a Biden stan? Does a Biden stan have to wear Biden’s slogan on a hat? (Is there even a slogan?)
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I call those people radlibs, they radically support the establishment dems and firmly reject any suggestion of movement towards the left. One of em asked me if I would rather move America to the left and enable genocide and a Trump victory, or vote Biden, and when I said I’d do both, vote Democrat and make grassroots change to the left like unionizing, they told me I had to choose.
Wtf is that?
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Personally if anyone is a stan for any politician I cease all contact. Idc about party affiliation, it’s the sycophants that get to that place.
“Both parties are the same” is an obviously silly statement.
At the same time, “Vote for the man who says he can’t avoid building Trump’s wall, but can use executive power to sell weapons specifically to be used for genocide… Because the other guy is worse.” is not a great way to raise voter turnout.
Some of the people criticizing others in this thread have been organizing against genocide. Have been calling their representatives, protesting in the street, etc.
If that’s you; Great! My beef is not with you.
If not, and especially if you were telling people to vote for Biden in 2020 because we could “push him to the left”; Maybe work on getting Biden to stop funding genocide and generally push an agenda that will make people want to vote for him.
With current levels of partisanship, turnout is what makes the difference in elections.
Criticizing the very people you’re trying to get to vote is at best counter-productive.
Like it or not, if you’re campaigning for Biden then you’re an embassador for the Democratic party. People notice what you spend your energy on, and what you don’t. If you spend more time calling people on the left “stupid” than you do campaigning to end genocide? People will notice, and they will associate Biden supporters with hypocrites that don’t actually care about them or people like them.
Being a dick is easier than actually organizing; But it won’t achieve your stated goals.
It’s a horrible callus thing I’m fully aware, but I truly don’t currently give a fuck about the ongoing messed up aspects of US foreign policy and really only care about desperately trying to get our own country in order. I’m looking for the only realistically electable candidate that’s attempting to stop or at least slow the fascist takeover of our country. We aren’t in a good enough place right now to worry about anyone else.
If it’s a constant race to the bottom… who cares. I would rather see us bottom out so that there is a chance that I could see real change in my lifetime.
No, you shouldn’t vote Democrat - both parties tend to have unimaginably negative foreign policy that perpetuates the American empire across the globe. This is the greatest source of evil in the world - not regressive immigration policy.
This is even why you should consider voting for Trump, regardless of what you think about him: he actually seems to endorse isolationism to some degree. I think they are probably the same concerning Israel, but it is not illogical to say that Trump would’ve done something else concerning the Ukraine, or that he would have be engaging with China very differently.
Isolationism would work in favour of Putin, who has his own imperialist streak. I can’t say whether Trump will be good or bad for China. His constant sabre rattling with China indicates he might start World War III should he becomes president again. Or, he may leave Asia-Pacific at the ire of American allies, leaving them to further Chinese influence.
This is not a good assessment of the situation at all…
If American power was truly benign, it would be interested in maintaining Ukrainian neutrality as much as possible to prevent the disaster we have just seen, and simply allow the processes of technology and modernization to erode totalitarian institutions in Russia and, similarly, fought corruption in Ukraine… It would not weaponize the most backwards & corrupt country in Europe through re-energizing the Maidan, throwing a coup using literal Nazi militiamen, and put it on a crash course with Russia, causing it to lose a war abysmally that could have been settled by insisting on some sort of elections in Luhansk/Donetsk with international observers…
Polling shows that it could’ve likely resulted in just some autonomous region that would still be within Ukraine…
But look at we got: at least half a million dead Ukrainians and now it has been all but guaranteed that more than Luhansk & Donetsk will be ceded to Russia.
You sound like a progressive that would be arguing that the US needed to go into Vietnam to offset Russian & Chinese expansion in southeast Asia, and that the 2 million Vietnamese dead and tens of thousands of working class Americans dying are just these necessary side effects of us being the good guyz.
it would be interested in maintaining Ukrainian neutrality
News flash, Ukraine overwhelmingly want to align with the West. Russia has no business telling Ukraine to remain neutral or else… anymore than US has no business telling another whom to align or they will coup.
Everything else you said is repeating Russian propaganda that has no bearing in reality. Yanukovych reneged on the deal with the EU at the last minute angering Ukrainians leading to Maidan revolution. Nuland tapes are circumstantial at best. The UN itself said they found no evidence of Ukraine systematically committing genocide on Russian speakers (as a matter of fact it is Russia whom they found committing genocide on Ukrainians).
Pushing for isolationism and apathy is precisely what Putin wants as it would mean leaving Ukraine on its own and time for Moscow to recover. The narrative of squarely blaming Ukraine for all the deaths in spite of Russia was the one who invaded unprovoked is suspiciously becoming more common. Usually peace advocates implore both sides, not blaming only one side and the aggrieved one at that.
I disagree - Yanukovych was elected on he basis that he would be close to Russia. He won the popular election at one point. Of course a significant amount of Ukrainians were pissed that he pulled out of the deal, but it was predictable that a pro-Russian leader would take steps to try to at least maintain a balance between the West and Russia…
Maybe it is even the case that Yanukovych was heavy-handed in scuttling the EU deal, but the crazy violence that happened at the Odessa trade hall and the sweeping to power of these cartoon character super nationalists in the most corrupt country in Europe seems like a fair enough reason for places like Crimea and E. Ukraine to want to return to Russia…
Obviously, I would agree with the assessment that some amount of Russian intelligence operations and propagandists were invested in forcing the issue, but I’ve also heard interviews with pro-Kiev Ukrainians from the East conceding that their own home town in Luhansk/Donetsk is mostly pro-Russian.
Pushing for isolationism and apathy is precisely what Putin wants as it would mean leaving Ukraine on its own and time for Moscow to recover. The narrative of squarely blaming Ukraine for all the deaths in spite of Russia was the one who invaded unprovoked is suspiciously becoming more common. Usually peace advocates implore both sides, not blaming only one side and the aggrieved one at that.
I actually blame the West for all the deaths. Someone at some point convinced Zelenskyy that he would have enough support to turn back a Russian invasion - something he should have been far more skeptical about - and the results are absolutely catastrophic.
I am always anti-war, and thus I am against diplomatic maneuvers that fail to de-escalate hostile situations and create more friction.
Does it suck that the Ukraine is in such a difficult position? Of course. But the answer to this is not putting them in the boxing ring with the Russian bear. The results have been devastating and predictable.
BTW… No, i do not support Putin at all. The path forward for Russia is the same path forward for all nations: increasing wealth and insuring its equitable distribution so that the average persons enjoys a high standard of living and can together exert pressure for accountability & transparency of government…
But complaining that Russia, a country with so many issues after the collapse of the Soviet Union, is undemocratic all the while our own nations see civil rights never actualized or even eroded and control by capitalist oligarchs is… rich.
We also set up Russia to be that way - remember the Harvard Boys.
“Some Russian intelligence” interference is an understatement. It was clear they agitated Russian-speakers. After all, the Russians invaded Crimea with “green men” only for Putin to admit months later they are Russian agents.
Imagine if the US lost the entire East Coast and being told to just give up retaking it instead of shedding more blood.
Russia lied they won’t invade and they did. Why should they be believed that they will uphold any truce or peace deal?
And thinking that globalisation will democratise Russia is wishing that China and Saudi Arabia will also be the same. People have thought about that to those countries but it hasn’t happened. Autocratic countries know how to insulate themselves from outside influence, precisely because they do not allow dissenting voices, especially from outside. They are autocratic after all.
A two hour old account parroting pro-Trump with Russian propaganda. You make an interesting spin I have to say.
Let’s even say that what you are saying is completely true - because it is, to some extent. Russia is not 100% well intentioned. I am not a Putinist by any stretch of the imagination…
What you are actually suggesting is that the Ukraine, the most corrupt & impoverished country in Europe at that moment, is being defended by the USA and NATO, because they are a bastion of liberty… and the USA, and NATO, who absolutely have not killed millions of people around the world exclusively to further their own geopolitical position and economic interests, who have absolutely never massacred actual progressives and leftists by the tens of thousands in places like Chile, Argentina, Brazil, El Salvador, are totally backing the Ukraine because they have the noblest of intentions in defending… :::: puts on Zelenskyy’s gravitas and accent ::: democracy and human rights.
Even if Putin is 100% in the wrong (which he isn’t), it does not mean that the US and the Kiev regime are forces of democracy and progress. In fact, if history teaches us anything, the fact that the Kiev regime is working closely with the CIA and the USA means it is going to be a corrupt, backwards state… Or, as Zelenskyy stated it himself…
Ukraine wants to be Big Israel.
Imagine if the US lost the entire East Coast and being told to just give up retaking it instead of shedding more blood.
OK, but let’s imagine that the entire East Coast is ethnically majority English, and they speak only English, and traditionally vote for English candidates that advance closer relations with England… And let’s also imagine that they were actually assigned to be part of America by England herself in the middle of last century for administrative purposes when England used to rule the US…
… And then, after the English speaking, English descent President, who was elected popularly, with the East Coast as his predictable heartland of su pport, many English on the East Coast were completely pissed off. New York completely voted itself to be a part of England right away – of course, English officers and pollsters were there to facilitate this and the numbers were wonky, but a lot of people generally accepted it at the time because it was reasonably explicable…
… And, like, we’ve now been fighting a civil war without the English for 7 years… the rest of America has agreed to take in tons of military support and training from China, and is lining itself up to become a threat towards not just the East Coast, but of course, England, and the English alliance system more broadly…
And the East Coast would be joining a comparatively 2, 3x more wealthy and less corrupt state that has its best interests at heart by joining England, as opposed to feeling like the neglected, actualy despised part of America, which is a rapidly failing state ruled by a series of corrupt oligarchs… Not entirely unlike England, but [i]measurably worst in terms of standard of living, at least…![/i]
It’s pretty complicated, isn’t it?
And thinking that globalisation will democratise Russia is wishing that China and Saudi Arabia will also be the same. People have thought about that to those countries but it hasn’t happened. Autocratic countries know how to insulate themselves from outside influence, precisely because they do not allow dissenting voices, especially from outside. They are autocratic after all.
I said prosperity and not globalization for a reason, though… Globalization is a front for global capital.
I also believe China & Saudi Arabia have become measurably more liberal places over the last few decades - I don’t think you’d dispute that, either. The only issue is that China has incorporated its emerging bourgeoisie into a more jingoistic, confrontational foreign policy outlook, IMO.
They are still just ruled by oligarchs like the West.
A two hour old account parroting pro-Trump with Russian propaganda. You make an interesting spin I have to say.
Yeah man I’m a freshman but I think I am cut out for the team.
You’re telling my assessment is not good when yours is really just…really bad.
Firstly, Yanukovych won by slim margin of 3% at 48% versus 45% to his opponent. He was hardly “popular”. Second, his administration was mired with corruption. The Wikipedia article sums it up quite nicely with good sources. Even Russian-speaking Donbas don’t like him.
Second, it is laughable you are pushing for the corruption narrative of Ukraine often repeated that serves Russian propaganda. What countries aren’t corrupt? Except there are more so that are corrupt. And Russia just happens to be way more corrupt than you wish to portray it to be. Most significantly, Ukraine wants to join the EU to be precise, but Putin sees EU admission as tantamount to joining NATO. They are two completely different things. Separate polling showed Ukraine don’t want to join NATO, until Russia agitated the Ukrainians prompting them to yearn to join NATO. Russian interference also made Ukraine want to join EU even more, and the same poll showed Russian-speaking Ukrainians do not feel neglected.
Since you are pushing for the corruption narrative, the EU is way less corrupt and richer than Russia. The latter has 1/5th of the GDP of Italy. Russian-aligned countries are known for being dictators. Why would Ukraine then join Russian sphere of influence when the EU has better standard of living, more democratic and less corrupt? Looking at corruption perception index, Russia ranks near bottom as one of the most corrupt. Really? You’re telling Ukrainians to side with a more corrupt entity than the less so?
Let’s go back to the NATO narrative. The West knows fully that Ukraine is a red line for Russia. If the West really wants Ukraine to join NATO, they sure danced around it for decades. Recent declassified British communications showed the Blair administration rejects Ukraine joining the EU for said reasons. Kremlin sees this as Ukraine also joining NATO (also the EU wants Ukraine to be less corrupt and democratic). Because for Russia, it’s either Ukraine joins them or not at all in any capacity. Russia wants to carve their own sphere of influence. Russia have their own political philosophy of Eurasianism. Moreover, seeing a more prosperous neighbour could make Russians realise the bad situation they are in under Putin’s rule. Of course, any dictators would not want getting ideas for a better way of life as it would undermine their own rule.
And really, your argument about US East Coast joining England for being “more prosperous” could not be anymore less convincing. UK is less prosperous and not any more or less corrupt than the US (but they are both less corrupt than Russia nonetheless). The UK has GDP of $2.44 trillion while the US has $15.68 trillion (and for crying out loud, the state of New York alone has GDP of $2 trillion that could rival UK and could do well on its own). Italy that is 10% the size of Russia, has outsized more GDP than Russia. So you’re saying it is better to side with Russia on this despite all the metric?
As for the supposed democratic desire by Luhansk and Donbas to join Russia, you do realise that the referendum was a sham? Held at gunpoint during a conflict and with a low voter turnout? Even televised reporting from Russia showed they counted ballots as “yes” that are not even filled out! No nation recognise the “results” except for those beholden to Russia. There’s a reason as to why the UN General Assembly overwhelmingly voted that the invasion of Ukraine was illegal and a sham and do not recognise the “secession” of eastern parts of Ukraine.
So, your claim that the West is supporting a corrupt regime is not only utter bs, but also spewing Russian propaganda, regardless of whether or not you claim to have no love for Putin. You could argue for any spin and yet you picked the worst talking points to stand one that could be easily refuted. You go for corruption spin and yet you’re implying for Ukraine to side with a country that is more corrupt, less democratic and less prosperous. For someone repeating leftist buzzwords like “bourgeoisie” and “capital”, you sure are contradicting yourself for tacitly supporting Putin as lesser evil and not the hyper-evil capitalist kleptocrat that he is by stating “Even if Putin is 100% in the wrong (which he isn’t)”.
Really, you’re not fooling anyone. But I will give you credit, you sure make interesting spin.
I also believe China & Saudi Arabia have become measurably more liberal places over the last few decades
More liberal, if you ignore the lack of civil liberties in those countries.
This account is 3 hours old.
Give me some time and I’ll melt your heart.
How come this genius is still in twitter?
Jeff needs to leave Xitter already
that’s easy to say. but finding an alternative is pretty difficult. mastodon is an option, but it’s to twitter what lemmy is to reddit. tiny userbase, and no discovery algorithm to push his opinions.
Have you ever tried just not going on the internet?
I am not saying I am not voting for Biden, but running on the platform of “vote for us or bad things will happen” is a shitty platform.
It’s simple, vote 3rd party
Found the GOP shill
“If you aren’t one of us, you’re one of them!”
It’s just sad that you can’t vote for the party you agree with because then your vote loses any value. Americans probably can’t imagine the amount of parties in other countries,
Just don’t vote for the one currently supporting a genocide.
