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What is IE 33 ?
They want to end Edge and bring back Internet Explorer. It’ll start over at IE 33 since 33x3=88, which means Heil Hitler in super secret numerology.
Looks like a Treaty between the US and Cherokee.
Surprisingly, doesn’t seem to be anything particularly controversial about it.
I’m assuming these assholes are there to shit on the Cherokee for being under US protection or something? Idk.
How old is this picture? Those are some giant pixels
Honest question, did we fight the Nazis because they were Nazis as we know them today (genocidal/racist/fascist)? Or did we fight the Nazis because they were attacking our allies?
That’s a complicated question without a clear answer. It’s hard to establish the motivations of an individual person, but much harder when you’re talking about the entire country. Generally, people were united in the war effort, but for a variety of reasons. The NYT downplayed the Holocaust and specifically tried to avoid focusing on antisemitism, in part because they were worried that people wouldn’t like the idea of fighting a war to protect Jewish people, as racism and antisemitism were very much present. On the other hand, you had people like folk singer Woody Guthrie who explicitly connected the war to anti-fascism in his songs. But there were also plenty of people and media who had been praising Hitler, before he started invading everywhere.
Basically there were lots of reasons for lots of people to dislike the Nazis, so it’s kind of hard to detangle who was motivated by what and to what degree. Generally though, if they had kept to their own borders, it’s unlikely that any other country would have invaded them just for being fascists, and many countries went through great lengths not to go to war with them, because nobody wanted to recreate the devastation of WWI. Even then the US wasn’t willing to get directly involved until it was directly attacked.
Wasn’t Pearl Harbor also a main reason?
Yes, that’s what I said at the end. The US didn’t get involved until directly attacked.
It’s notable that the US decided to get involved and to focus on the European theater, despite being attacked by Japan. But that doesn’t really tell us about motivations. It could be that the US considered Nazi ideology more dangerous than Japan’s ideology, or it’s possible they were more interested in Europe for the sake of their allies, or it could’ve been a purely strategic decision.
Because they attacked, I am fairly certain.
Both. The autocratic bend that was already known of provided plenty of fuel for the pro-war camp, and it was a lot of what motivated Roosevelt to want to back the Allies as much as he was legally allowed.
Pearl Harbor was a tragedy, but as Churchill is attributed to have said, never let a good crisis go to waste.
Japan basically provided all the excuse the pro war camp needed to leeroy jenkins themselves at Hitler’s face.
We built the bomb with the intention of using them on Germany, that is the kind of axe you’ve got to grind with someone who you hate for a lot more reasons than just that they socked your best mate.
It would be too simple to say either. Societies are diverse with multiple viewpoints.
The US government under Roosevelt was opposed to the Nazis from the start, before WW2 began, on account of its fascist character.
While America was deeply racist at the time, it was also very unevenly racist, and even prominent Nazi fellow-travelers like Charles Lindbergh expressed revulsion at the level of Nazi racism displayed.
The genocide proper didn’t begin until WW2, and by the time we were already, for all practical purposes, ‘in the game’, so to speak.
Read Eisenhowers D-Day remarks. Most Americans believed the Nazis were a genuinely dangerous, oppressive evil that, left unchecked, were likely to subjugate the whole of Europe. Both their ideology and methods had to be rebuked on a moral level.
Because you got invaded. Nothing else.
Churchill (part American) always thought the Americans would join the war but they didn’t.
Germany was getting held up in Russia and Japan attacked America. Hitler thought if he declared war on America then Japan would declare war on Russia. Hitler was more worried about Russia so it was a good trade. Unfortunately for him Japan kept they pact of non aggression with Russia so it just caused him another enemy.
Uhh…yes, because yes. They didn’t just burst onto the scene after Kristallnacht but once the regular folk see the pogroms it’s suddenly a war crime
If you grab a book on Henry ford and his ilk then you’ll need a book on Reconstruction and then a book on plantations, etc. This is a country by and for land owning white men so there was a lot of stern words before the Infamous day, after that it was a mix of actual Steve Rogers and the same robber barons getting richer but we mostly agreed with the Reich until it hit our shores.
If Japan stuck to their close neighbors and ze Germans just annexed Western Europe…we probably wouldn’t have all the beach landings and such, see again Ford and his friend list.
she smells like onions lol
Every year, we open up a stadium for a giant Pro Slavery + Pro Nazi + Pro Confederacy rally. At the end of the rally, we lock all the doors and sell everyone in the stadium to the highest-bidding slavers.
Everyone at the rally gets to enjoy their pro-slavery desires and everyone else is rid of them. Win-win.
um… who do we sell them to? if it’s someone outside the stadium, aren’t they also pro-slavery? wouldn’t that mean they’d also be in the stadium? also, wouldn’t we, then, end up with a lot of slaves?
this seems like a bad idea for a few reasons, the least of which is the hypocrisy…
Qatar. We sell them to Qatar.
Plot twist, they find that their belief systems are extremely similar and they join forces.
Russel’s slavery paradox.
It could be solved if slaves could own slaves, but it would become circular.
Hmmm… it wouldn’t be circular if we had “levels” of slaves. Imagine you only directly enslaved the people in the level below you, and you were only directly enslaved by the people in the level above you. I think it would still end up circular in places, though, so maybe we should call these “classes” instead.
Wait a minute… MyGodIGetItNow.jpg
Not strong slavery. Never mention the word.
But make it so if you didn’t play along then you would be cared for if you fell ill. Or you couldn’t get food. And you could only level up if you passed the right exams.
Make sure the highest slave owner pays a different kind of tax to the others at a much lower rate.
Make sure ownership can be inherited with relative ease.
Maybe a circular chain (no pun intended) of slavery can work if the circle is long enough? Each slave/slaver will get abused by their master and take out their frustration abusing their own slave. While it’s true that if you go far enough in either direction you’ll eventually reach yourself, there is not much you can do about it - even if you try to order your slave to order their slave to order their slave … to order their slave to free you, by the time that order reaches your own master the incentive to enforce it will be so diminished that they could ignore it without much consequence.
Of course, in order for this to work we need a rule that a master cannot order their slave to give them their slave. Or - to be on the safe side - a master cannot interfere with what a slave does with their own slaves.
I mean fire’s always an option
How are these people not named and shamed? They are just standing there in public with no mask on wearing a swastika and giving a nazi salute? And then, what, they go back to selling real estate or what…? When is this even from?
Because most of them have no jobs and live off the gov. While talking shit about people who aren’t racist cock wagons, that use gov support. So they have nothing to lose.
Picture is from 2010 in Knoxville Tennesee. Can’t find any other info on the girl:
Thanks for the Snopes link, that gave some more context. I still can’t believe no one figured out who she and the others are. It’s just mind boggling to me, maybe because she’s young-ish, that no one was like oh my god is that Sharon??
I mean, that someone can live and do whatever they do, show up to this event with no mask and do this, and then go back to living a normal life is crazy to me. People lose their jobs for saying something racist on camera, and this person is full nazi-ing it up seemingly with no social consequences.
Needs a snopes status for “They’re still fucking Nazis, man”
I wonder if she knows the Jan 6 girl from knoxville. Who was upset the cops pushed her out of the capitol and she got maced
we will need them until capitalism ends
Wait till OP learns about what America did to non-white people in its’ history.
The Nuremberg race laws were inspired by JimCrow and were actually less restrictive.
Wait until ButtHurt hears that that’s literally what we’re talking about and their ‘gotcha’ is meaningless bullshit.
It sure is, buddy. /s
Classic whataboutism
How is the fact that america was built on white supremacy and literally inspired Nazi policy whataboutism?
Because that’s not what we’re talking about in this thread. You’re bringing up other atrocities and moving the spot light off of the topic at hand
That doesn’t make it whataboutism tho
The post is about the US being an antifascist nation, while it has a very fascist-adjacent history.
CIA backed coups in south America would be whataboutism. How the US inspired the Nazis: not so much.
How the US inspired the Nazis: not so much.
…and then we fought a war over it. Do you need to be introduced to a calendar?
Half the country didn’t want to fight the war, are you daft,? It took pearl harbor to even start to change minds.
As if the US was the main character of WW2. How arrogant do you have to be?
When did operation paperclip occur, again?
Operation Paperclip: when we imported Nazis to run our government. Of course. Silly me. That’s why the civil rights movement had its greatest successes and prominence right after WW2, because of all the fascists we decided to empower.
The history of the US isn’t “fascist-adjacent;” we’ve had our heads ALL THE WAY UP THAT ASS since the beginning and ongoing. Most of the founding fathers were worried that an “excess of democracy” would be bad for business (season 4 of “Scene on Radio,” https://sceneonradio.org/category/season-4/page/2/).
The US’ crusade against all things vaguely left of center goes even deeper than I ever thought. It’s a bit surprising how many of the most dreadful dictators in the past 100 years were graduates of the School of the Americas and/or installed by the CIA. See: “The Jakarta Method” by Vincent Bevins.
Prunebutt is right here: the US was, at best, laissez-faire about Nazis until it wasn’t. Nazis were good for business. I’ve read a lot on the topic, but can’t find any good citations at the moment. This is an accessible, albeit lightweight entry point: https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/. But listen to just about year of “Behind the Bastards,” and it’s a deep rabbit hole of how closely tied to fascism the US had always been.
Prunebutt is right here: the US was, at best, laissez-faire about Nazis until it wasn’t.
Oh, I guess I must have imagined the Roosevelt administration being stridently anti-Nazi from the beginning, and the mass protests whenever Nazis showed up in the US. Silly me.
Oh, I guess I must have imagined
Well, I guess you must have been there, if you didn’t imagine it. /s
Clarification: that was a joke and not supposed to be a proper addition to the argument.
Oh, I guess I must have imagined the Roosevelt administration being stridently anti-Nazi from the beginning, and the mass protests whenever Nazis showed up in the US. Silly me.
You are correct that you are imagining this, because the US’ relationship to Germany was definitely complex. Roosevelt was far from “stridently anti-Nazi” until Kristallnacht (1938 Nov 9), at which point Roosevelt recalled the US ambassador to Germany and allowed the 12,000 visiting Germans to remain in the US. However, despite allowing those Germans to stay, he did not push to increase immigration quotas.
Prior to Kristallnacht, the Roosevelt administration, Hollywood, petroleum companies, and much of the manufacturing base were very pro-Nazi Germany. The administration assisted Germany in circumventing boycotts while US petroleum companies provided fuel and oil despite European sanctions. Sources: Robert Evans (“Behind the Bastards”), Rafael Medoff (“Roosevelt’s Pre-war Attitude Toward the Nazis”)
Are you trying to debunk the idea that Nazis are bad?
I’m trying to debunk the idea that the US is fundamentally anti-fascist.
Nobody ever said it was. This was a call for anti-fascism.
If you want to argue down a call for action against Fascism, go for it, but don’t act surprised when people call you a Fascist for it.
If there’s a real point you wish to make, it’s lost in way you’ve presented it. Instead of being a miserable scold, you could have added to the conversation, but since feel that everything you post needs to be in the form of a rebuttal, it comes across as though you are trying to completely invalidate OP’s meme rather than add little color to it.
Everyone here already knows about America’s troubled history. You’re preaching to the choir. It really sounds like you’re defending Nazis by claiming that America is somehow the “real evil” when OP’s post can pretty succinctly be summarized as “Nazis Bad”.
We did fight Nazis in WWII, everything else notwithstanding, and we are going to have to do it again soon. We’re trying to figure out who is on what side, and with your attitude, you’re going to end up being an honorary fascist since you’re going to throw a semantic tantrum every time someone signals anti-fascism.
This was a call for anti-fascism.
… By way of national pride, forgetting the US’s “troubled” past. Trying to counter fascism with patriotism is a dangerous game.
Everyone here already knows about America’s troubled history. You’re preaching to the choir.
The responses seem too differ.
You’re awfully glib about a looming civil war.
Sure, the person disliking patriotism will be an “honorary fascist”. /s 🙄
forgetting the US’s “troubled” past
The Confederacy is right there. In the meme.
Are you even trying?
Like the confederacy was the only time the US was white supremacist. Ever heard of Nixon and how his war on drugs was just a strategy to criminalize black people (and leftists)?
I’m sorry the meme doesn’t acknowledge every crime of the USA in the space of one photo and three sentences?
You’ve gone way into No True Scotsman territory. Your argument is fallacious, and pro-fascist.
You don’t get to be a German and not feel pain - a lot of pain.
As an American, you’re far ahead of many of my countrymen
But not yours to bare my German brother from across the pond.
Germany has learned ( IMO) that while nazi party rose in Germany. Germany isnt the Nazi party. The United States never learned the lessons from this historical past.
Danke
(bear)
Well said. And Fck AfD. You guys keep fighting the good fight.
Iiiiiiiits NAZI PUNCHING TIME!!!
I oppose punching Nazis.
You might hurt your hand.
Use an object instead.
It’s incredibly important to our democracy that we beat Trump.
Here, use this piece of rebar.
I figured it was a bit of a BYOB (Bring Your Own Bat) sort of scenario
(Holding a pitchfork). Yeah! Well sorta.
Its always good to bring extras in case someone forgets.
High powered and from a distance
If only we had some technology that could throw bits of hard things really fast from a good distance away. Science may never know if it is possible.
I hope it makes a satisfying “PING” sound when it’s done throwing hard things at Nazis for the moment.
We perfected Nazi neutralizing tech in 1911. Call me a fud but it just feels like the right tool for the job
I’ve used both an M1 and a 1911 .45. Both are absolute perfection, but the M1 makes the ping sound. It wins.
Maybe I’ve been bit by the clip one too many or maybe I just love heeling the mag into the well. Dealers choice I suppose, I somehow both love and hate taking apart the spring assembly under a 1911 slide
Either way, if it’s killin Nazis it’s doing it’s job
Pings for democracy!
I enjoy the satisfaction of a broken hand after some nazi punching. Reminds me I did something good for the world.
I once bruised my hand badly enough to need a brace. Another time I broke my forearm and mostly lost the use of my dominant hand for a couple of months. Trust me, it’s not worth it.
I’ve broken many bones in just my hands in the 40+ years I have been on this earth, from soccer when I was a kid, to fights as a teen, and tools as an adult. I’m not afraid of hurting myself on a fascist nazi.
Something you can be proud to tell your grandkids about one day. “Kids, a storm be a brewin’ - I can feel it in my bones. Because I once broke my hand on a Nazi’s face.”
You’ve never punched anybody, have you.
I shot a lot of zombies
You have a severe lack of sarcasm, don’t you?
That girl just needs a good dicking to get the Nazi out of her.
Dude… Don’t put your dick in crazy. 🫤
It’s only a Nazi. It’s not like they’re human beings
Lol, you’re right, Nazism sucks, and they killed a lot of people to justify how they’re better than everyone else.
And it’s only fair if we kill them as well.
Username checks out??
Dam son. You thirsty. You just need to rub one out.
But alt right men are treating alt right women poorly!!!
It’s not thirst. Sometimes those Nazi women need to be put in their place with dick.
Ew
Didn’t realize there were so many Nazi supporters on this site.
Please stop, coomer.
No.
I for one believe that she needs more than a good dickin’
But if the personalities of alt right men are as candid as every example I’ve ever seen, id say that there is a good probability that there ain’t no dickin’
These days, and especially with the continuing shift to the right in Europe, I’m repeatedly asking myself what the attractiveness of these ideologies is, that so many people again fall for them. They represent destruction not future. They do not have a plan for the future, they are only “against” everything good.
People want quick solutions to complicated problems. What quicker solution is there to all of your problems than blaming it on a disadvantaged group of people and persecuting them for it?
They never realize it’s not an effective solution until they’re way too established in the “kill the X” mode.
They construct an ideology where everything was great way back when foreign powers were jealous of our national heritage and destroyed everything. It’s a very easy to grasp and convenient myth, since your nation becomes the main character of history.
Nationalism/patriotism is very succeptible to falling for fascist ideology. Therefore, everyone waving their national flag with pride is sus to me.
Your last sentence especially hit it home for me. I’m not currently proud of America, and I myself would feel like a total jamoke waving around the US flag with a grin right now.
But I will vote and try my best to fight for a country that I can be proud of.
…one can support american ideals without supporting actions of the american state: it’s our choice which that flag represents…
…sadly, fascists have so brazenly siezed the apparatus of our state that whenever i see its flag proudly unfurled these days, my first reaction is to associate its bearer with fascism…
Fascism preys on the ideas of regime change and stagnation. Physically, a government wishing to gather power through voters will promise new public works, a focus on workers, and the general embetterment of society. Ideologically, fascism promises a purging of those in power, those that lead the stagnation and bad working conditions that started the movement. They conveniently pin in on a group of people or a few undesirable groups to appeal to a large number of the population and then make a grab for power. Bad times and stagnation create fascism.
They are looking for a community that accepts them. That’s why they are usually from broken poor white people with drug problems. Their parents are absent in many ways and are looking for somewhere to belong.
Same thing any “in group” feeds on: self esteem. If you feel powerless, or worthless, or rudderless, any group that makes you feel powerful, valuable, and effective is going to be very appealing. Conservatives (read: fascists) prey on this. They make it seem like joining them is brave, and important. And since their followers lack identity and purpose, their self worth becomes entangled with [in group], be it closeted fascism such as the American GOP, or flaming such as Q/proud boys/whatever. And since their identity and value depends on the perpetuation and proliferation of their in group, they willingly accept lies and falsehood. Pretty easy to gaslight someone who’s encouraging it.
Then when they wear their symbols of hate, or make shocking claims, or in anyway troll and grief society, up to and including dismantling democracy, they get a reaction. They’ve exerted their will on the world around them, and as such they feel powerful. The insidious bit is, even if the good guys win, with all their high falutin factual arguments and social programs, it just makes these sad people angier and feel worthless again. So they go right back to their pimps for some more sweet lies and marching orders.
This is spot on and something I teach in social psychology. One thing that helps is increasing membership in other groups so that the dismantling of one group doesn’t fracture their self identity. Granted I usually teach this with more benign examples (e.g. if you’re a “good student” and get a bad grade, it hurts more depending on how important it is to your identity). But the idea is the same.
A few things you can look up though: cognitive dissonance, confirmation biases, contact hypothesis, and probably a few more. The funny thing is, social psychology as a discipline boomed after WW2 because people wanted to know why Nazis were Nazis. It’s only recently we also realized that social rejection uses the same parts of the brain as physical pain, though.
How do I upvote a comment twice?
…i use the little star so i can find again it later…
Make more accounts
Why are you assuming most people care or are capable of reasoning about some vague “future”? Right now they feel disenfranchised because right now some <insert slur> is getting uppity.
It provides easy answers.
You’re a good strong person. They’re bad people. All your problems are their fault
Most people love feeling like they’re part of a group.
literally
You know, other adverbs exist.
Did we metaphorically have a war over these things? With metaphorical Henrys and metaphorical M1 Garands?
Based
