Keep protesting from now to the future until we get shit done, but vote Biden regardless. We’re stuck with this choice cause this is the only least worst option we have. Wish Bernie was still an option.
lol blue maga is using red maga’s scare tactics to get their favorite pants shitting geriatric to win a popularity contest.
You have no choice but to vote for the genocide enabler. It is the only way to save “democracy.” The type of democracy where you have to support the abhorrent to keep out the truly monstrous and if you say you won’t, a bunch of self important liberals will pretend it’s all your fault and not the parade of geriatric ghouls the party has been nominating
” The type of democracy where you have to support the abhorrent to keep out the truly monstrous and if you say you won’t, a bunch of self important liberals will pretend it’s all your fault and not the parade of geriatric ghouls the party has been nominating
Yes, isn’t it terrible when democracy doesn’t agree with you? The only TRULY democratic society is one where those pesky proles listen to those who know what’s good for them, right?
Democracy doesn’t work particularly well when the voters are uneducated or otherwise missinformed. That when the country starts doing things that are against its and its own citizens interest. Corruption, legal or otherwise, also contribute to making it disfunctional.
Democracy doesn’t work particularly well when the voters are uneducated or otherwise missinformed
This argument is the justification for the Electoral College.
Really? I thought it was justification to reform and improve education.
Democracy doesn’t work particularly well when the voters are uneducated or otherwise missinformed.
So we’re just coming out against democracy now when the proles aren’t on our side, are we? Great. Glad to see this brave new form of leftism.
Lol what?
The only TRULY democratic society is one where those pesky proles listen to those who know what’s good for them, right?
Isn’t this literally the message of the meme?
Isn’t this literally the message of the meme?
No, and I don’t really know how you could come to that conclusion, since the meme doesn’t say anything about whether any given act or ideal is ‘true democracy’.
“If leftists don’t vote for Biden they are stupid”
5 minutes later…
“Wow why do you think I’m telling the proles how to vote?”
“If leftists don’t vote for Biden they are stupid”
Yeah, if you allow fascism in order to stop a non-fascist government, you’re a fascist enabler.
“Wow why do you think I’m telling the proles how to vote?”
I didn’t realize pointing out consequences of losing a democratic election, and advocating voting for a candidate in that democratic election order to avoid those consequences, was anti-democratic. Thank you for teaching me this, O Great Leftist.
Those pesky proles should just listen to you, since you know what’s good for them
As a citizen, it’s my duty to speak out against what I feel are bad choices for the polity. I didn’t realize advocacy of voting for (or against) a specific candidate or issue through speech was so anti-democratic. I’m learning a lot from you today.
It’s terrible when democracy doesn’t agree with damn near anybody
Yes, only a paltry plurality. If only there were a way that the option that even less people agree with could win.
Voting for someone who is less bad is harm reduction. You can do harm reduction, while loudly proclaiming that it fucking sucks there’s not a better option, and working to provide better options.
I hate Biden. But I hate (and fear) the prospect of a second trump term more.
Really feels like Israel is trying to do the old Russian misinformation game even on Lemmy these days to try and suppress blue votes on a single wedge issue because they know it’s the only way to get Trump elected and get more guns and bombs than they’re already getting, and they wouldn’t get pushback at all for Rafah or any warnings of any sort, just a blank check for wanton genocide.
Like I don’t like what’s happening in Palestine, but I don’t want to make it worse by pretending a non vote would somehow help them. Helping them would be ensuring that the party least likely to enable Israel the most is elected. That’s Joe Biden. Some people have ridiculous nicknames for him but my god wait until they make this look like restraint if Trump gets elected. Palestine would cease to exist almost immediately and Israel will de facto annex it, like Russia is trying to do in Ukraine.
So really you can vote to minimize the pain and suffering of Palestinians or you can not vote to minimize the pain and suffering of Palestinians. Personally I’m gonna vote to minimize the pain and suffering of Palestinians, and also support the environment (again not to the degree I desire), and support abortion access, and trans rights, and taxes for the wealthiest Americans, and, the list goes on, but yeah, I’m gonna vote for Joe Biden.
Genocide Joe can’t wait to hand this mess over to Trump… and his loyal shill brigade have already decided the left should be the scapegoats. No McCarthyism required!
I guess “Russian hackers” are just too passe this time around.
Cishet white man me livin my life after trump gets elected
“if you don’t vote for the genocide guys then you’ll get the genocide guys! (Also they’ve worked to make it super easy to strip leftist orgs of nonprofit status, works in lockstep to move the goalposts if a third party comes close to inclusion requirements, went to court to legally ensure they can run whoever the fuck they want, among plenty of other things - but our narrative depends exclusively on misinformation. We HAVE to call them single issue voters and claim that anybody not voting for Biden is advocating for not voting. Our real enemies aren’t Republicans, its leftists, and the time has come to say the quiet part out loud.)”
Forever one election away from fascism. The real single-issue voting.
The Gaza genocide is happening now under Biden, why is the Palestinian nervous about Trump?
Yeah but the world will know about their adorable little “protest vote” and how Biden just didn’t “do it” for them.
That will be our nation’s epitaph.
I just love the white self proclaimed leftists who insist that they’re the only ones in all of America who truly take the threat of fascism as seriously as needed and yet their advocated course ot action is to let the fascists get everything they want but blame it on the people actually trying to stop them for not catering enough to white self proclaimed leftist interests.
They’ll still be singing the tune of how one day the DNC establishment will totally learn their lesson this time if we protest vote at the election the Christnats are holding as a sham, singing it all the way as they get frog marched to the gas chambers ahead of everyone they let the fascists kill first.
I’m trans. I’ll probably be made illegal and have to run for my life to a blue state, or flee the country.
I’m still not voting for genocide. I’d rather literally kill myself.
Remember folks: there are no ramifications of policy in a functioning democracy.
Just vote once every four years for Party.
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Disclaimer: I’m Australian so I only have a relatively small stake in this, and I’m pretty solidly in the do vote camp.
All that said, I find myself really empathizing with the frustrations I’ve seen expressed by those who won’t vote. Again I don’t agree with not voting, I just see there is humanity behind it. It makes me weep that you need to fight about this in the first place, we have preferential voting so it’s not an issue at all here, you can vote independent and still prevent the right from taking office.
I hope you all make it through this safely and that you have no regrets in the end. Please look after each other, solidarity is our strength.
