and no one irl even has the decency to agree with me because it’s so fucking drilled into the culture that these fucking BuNsInNesSes have a Right to do this because it’s a bSUsniEss. like oh yeah they have an office building so they definitely get to analyze my piss because they say they want to. sick fucking freaks.
preaching to the choir a bit on lemmy (or i would hope so at least) but still
It’s only legal if it’s required for your profession (like in aviation), it might threaten life or mean death (for instance a taxi driver), there are big non-lethal risks connected to the employee’s work (no idea on this one)
As it’s a medial procedure so it has extra rules regarding that and the shielding of medical records from the employer.
The company also have to discuss this with the workers show stewards before they choose to do testing, and other forms of action needs to be taken and be ineffective before you can move on to testing.
That’s an American thing.
This. In Canada, most drug testing is considered a violation of rights and freedoms because your employer should not have a say in how you live your life. There are exceptions for high risk jobs where an impaired worker could cause death by negligence.
Bingo. If my boss asked for my piss I’d go straight to HR. Americans put up with so much insane stuff when it comes to work.
Which is crazy when you think about all the people that migrate to the US for jobs/opportunity. Makes you wonder how bad it is in other places.
In some cases it is, yes, worse. But in many cases it’s just the press the Americans spew about themselves living in the “land of the free” while the jackboots march in unison ever closer.
which is funny because it was brought up in Skinner v. Railway Labor Executives and they found that drug tests were against the 4th amendment.
It specifically found the opposite in safety-sensitive positions.
It’s stupid because most jobs are so fucking dull and easy, being on drugs is the only way to get any stimulation at them.
My biggest fear is failing one when I haven’t taken anything. I never have, but I know people who have. I’ve also known people who have passed after getting totally blitzed the night before. They are wildly inaccurate, aside from being an invasion of privacy.
I read, when you eat stuff with poppy seeds, some tests are false positive, because the plants are closely related.
opiates.
You know it’s all bullshit because they don’t/can’t test for alcohol dependence, which is way more devastating to a person’s productivity than cannabis.
My job breathalyzed me in addition to the piss test. I asked the attendant about the breathalyzer test, and she said that it’s common for people to fail it.
IIRC, many industries still get tax breaks and financial incentives for doing so.
I completely agree.
Many years ago I applied for a McJob at Worst Buy. They had mandatory drug testing even (especially?) for the lowest level job I was applying for.
I couldn’t pee when I went to the medical place for the test. Not sure I recall correctly but I think I went back a second time and drank a lot of water and was full of piss so I could do it. They never got back to me. No idea why. I guess they picked up the nicotine and didn’t want to hire a cigarette smoker.
When I think about this now I’m pretty horrified that I even did the pee test. It would be exceptional circumstances for me to do this for anything employment related now. I’m very clean now but it is none of their fucking business. It does surprise me that it is legal.
In Canada (and I think in most of the world) it’s illegal to randomly test employees unless you have reasonable cause.
Testing of an individual employee may be allowed in specific cases where there is reasonable cause to believe the employee is impaired by drugs or alcohol while on duty or is unable to work safely due to impairment from alcohol or drugs.
Pre-hire and pre-site-access are both still legal though
The fact any employee feels like it has the right to what I go after work is insane. This means drugs testing, second jobs, only-fans/ porn or anything similar.
My company has a clause in my contract that says the if I were to develop any software or invent any products while working for the company even if all development work was on my own time, they have rights to it.
I’m positive that that wouldn’t actually stand up in court, but it’s in the document. It’s also in the contract that I can’t have a second job which again I don’t think they can actually mandate.
Yeah. I know when I worked in research I had something similar about anything created with company property. I know they sued someone who left and tried to sell a version of something they created at work and won.
But I know there was specific language about what was owned when working at your free time
Then why you sign and bitch later? Don’t sign it if you don’t want it.
Always thought they were ridiculous and intrusive. So long as you show up sober and do your job properly who the fuck cares what you do in your off time? I’m the director for a nonprofit. I’m a huge stoner and my boss (executive director) was a hippie back in the day lol. I love hearing her wild drug stories from the 70’s and 80’s lmao. I’m also pretty open with my employees about the fact that I smoke weed. Turns out most of them do too! I always come well dressed, usually in a suit with a clean haircut, so I love seeing their faces when I tell them I’m a pot head lmao
Anyway, my employees are all very hard workers and I can tell they enjoy working here. The fuck would I ruin that by drug testing?
They can’t do this in Europe unless it’s actually dangerous for the job, medical professional, operating heavy industrial machinery, cop etc. It’s just because the US has no worker rights laws.
You don’t want someone who is still high driving a train, but it’s probably fine if all I need to do is off work.
Those are generally the same industries performing the drug tests in the US, too. They only test if they’re required to by OSHA, DOT, or insurance due to the nature of the work (i.e. “safety sensitive” roles). I’ve never done a drug test for an office job or basic labor; but I get regularly tested for my DOT related job.
Meanwhile I’ve been tested in order to work at Walmart and Jiffy Lube when I was younger.
Walmart and jiffy lube both have heavy equipment
Walmart had a forklift that was only used by certain certified individuals but jiffy lube had no heavy equipment.
Didn’t have a lift?
Point is, they both can have stuff, regardless of if you are the dude to operate it
No there was no lift or any other heavy equipment or machinery. We had a floor jack and hand tools. I find the idea that US employers drug test primarily for OSHA compliance or due to heavy equipment quite absurd. It’s about discrimination (for both the right and wrong reasons) plain and simple.
Discrimination against who?
America is a sick joke
The world is a sick joke
Not an American exclusive
I’m in NZ, but generally if you work on an industrial site, pre-work checks are normal along with “reasonable cause testing” and random checks are becoming more popular.
For office work, I don’t know anyone that is tested.
Having worked on various industrial sites for over 15 years, I have only been randomly tested once, I have had two pre-employment checks done.
I don’t see it as a big deal here, the reasonable cause testing is done to ensure who is safe, we have nationalized insurance here so there is no denial of claims or anything similar. You will almost certainly be fired if you are under the influence and cause an accident.
All it does is punish addicts trying to get back on their feet. For anyone else, you can just get a drink to clear you out the day before or just pretend that your prescription medications are causing a false positive.
Damn, América really is crazy. I wouldn’t accept such tests and I’ve never even tried drugs.
Depends what your job was. If you’re my 747 pilot I would be outraged if you refused a drugs test when asked.
There’s a time and a place for regulated drugs tests.
