If some massive junkie is shown the numbers he would never overdose? Seeing the dosage would teach them self-control? 2,000 micrograms of fentanyl can kill a person. And you people want this in Walmart?
A gallon of bleach can kill people, and we sell that in Walmart. People don’t want to die, they want to get high. If you can buy 20, 100 microgram doses, why would you take all 20 at once unless you wanted to die, and if you wanted to die, well, there are more guns than people in the US, trains exist, razors exist… Are we to wrap the entire world in bubble wrap?
Disclaimer: if we have an aligned AGI I may well be for some version of wrapping the world in bubble wrap, but I’m almost certain alignment includes allowing people who truly want to die, to die, but having very few such people because of treatments for depression, a world that doesn’t suck, etc.
You really think not making one of the deadliest drugs out there right now even easier to access for everyone is ‘wrapping the world in bubble wrap?’ This can’t really be your opinion is it? That us making it at least a little harder to get fentanyl is us going out of our way to make the world too cushy and safe?
why would you take all 20 at once unless you wanted to die
Because junkies get high and don’t think straight. You honestly believe every single overdose in human history has been either a person who had no idea what they had or an intentional suicide? I am sorry but…do you know addicts at all? Have you ever really had experience with these people in real life, or is this just something you have read about online? I grew up in the meth capital of the world and have watched, first hand, how people are destroyed.
More than 20 years ago, I seriously contemplated drug use, and I set myself some rules, before I started doing anything. I’ve stuck to them, and I’ve put thousands of dollars over the years into getting high. Yes, I know addicts.
People, even addicts, are responding to incentives. It’s been shown that making people’s lives less shit severely reduces addiction; I’m willing to bet that said meth capital is not somewhere where life is generally good, is it? That’s the place to intervene, in quality of life, if you want to reduce addiction. It’s also a very good idea to provide doses of a non-lethal size and known purity in a safe, sterile, nonsexy environment. Do you think people would have gotten into it in the same way if there were no dealers because the addicts were getting their doses at the hospital where you went and chilled for your time high, instead of providing an economic incentive for people to produce and sell it out of garages (periodically detonating a residential home in the process)?
You’re arguing for an older model of addiction that doesn’t resolve the issues, out of a reaction to the fucked up things you’ve seen. Please don’t misunderstand me; I don’t want the world you’ve seen any more than you do. I just think that there are ways to solve this problem that are demonstrated to be better than the criminal model, which is incredibly destructive both on an immediate level, with gangs throwing bullets indiscriminately, cops throwing bullets indiscriminately, and the incentive gradients leading towards worse outcomes for users.
In the end, your only real argument there was criminal. Which I have been very clear I am all for decriminalization of ALL drugs. Decriminalization and support for addicts is a whole different thing then ‘let’s make it as easy as possible for the addict to get all the drugs he can manage to afford’
As for the rest, changing society so junkies wont want to be on drugs is a whole other can of worms that I also completely agree with.
If some massive junkie is shown the numbers he would never overdose? Seeing the dosage would teach them self-control? 2,000 micrograms of fentanyl can kill a person. And you people want this in Walmart?
A gallon of bleach can kill people, and we sell that in Walmart. People don’t want to die, they want to get high. If you can buy 20, 100 microgram doses, why would you take all 20 at once unless you wanted to die, and if you wanted to die, well, there are more guns than people in the US, trains exist, razors exist… Are we to wrap the entire world in bubble wrap?
Disclaimer: if we have an aligned AGI I may well be for some version of wrapping the world in bubble wrap, but I’m almost certain alignment includes allowing people who truly want to die, to die, but having very few such people because of treatments for depression, a world that doesn’t suck, etc.
You really think not making one of the deadliest drugs out there right now even easier to access for everyone is ‘wrapping the world in bubble wrap?’ This can’t really be your opinion is it? That us making it at least a little harder to get fentanyl is us going out of our way to make the world too cushy and safe?
Because junkies get high and don’t think straight. You honestly believe every single overdose in human history has been either a person who had no idea what they had or an intentional suicide? I am sorry but…do you know addicts at all? Have you ever really had experience with these people in real life, or is this just something you have read about online? I grew up in the meth capital of the world and have watched, first hand, how people are destroyed.
More than 20 years ago, I seriously contemplated drug use, and I set myself some rules, before I started doing anything. I’ve stuck to them, and I’ve put thousands of dollars over the years into getting high. Yes, I know addicts.
People, even addicts, are responding to incentives. It’s been shown that making people’s lives less shit severely reduces addiction; I’m willing to bet that said meth capital is not somewhere where life is generally good, is it? That’s the place to intervene, in quality of life, if you want to reduce addiction. It’s also a very good idea to provide doses of a non-lethal size and known purity in a safe, sterile, nonsexy environment. Do you think people would have gotten into it in the same way if there were no dealers because the addicts were getting their doses at the hospital where you went and chilled for your time high, instead of providing an economic incentive for people to produce and sell it out of garages (periodically detonating a residential home in the process)?
You’re arguing for an older model of addiction that doesn’t resolve the issues, out of a reaction to the fucked up things you’ve seen. Please don’t misunderstand me; I don’t want the world you’ve seen any more than you do. I just think that there are ways to solve this problem that are demonstrated to be better than the criminal model, which is incredibly destructive both on an immediate level, with gangs throwing bullets indiscriminately, cops throwing bullets indiscriminately, and the incentive gradients leading towards worse outcomes for users.
In the end, your only real argument there was criminal. Which I have been very clear I am all for decriminalization of ALL drugs. Decriminalization and support for addicts is a whole different thing then ‘let’s make it as easy as possible for the addict to get all the drugs he can manage to afford’
As for the rest, changing society so junkies wont want to be on drugs is a whole other can of worms that I also completely agree with.