I had an apartment and then a new neighbor moved in next door. She put her dog in a cage that was in her bedroom closet. That bedroom closet was on the wall opposite my headboard side of my bed. Of course, when she went to work that dog would bark all day. I attempted to complain to the apartment manager but guess what happened? Nothing happened because that apartment manager also had a dog that she put in a cage and kept in her apartment while she was away.
In a different apartment I was on the ground floor. There was a lady above me who would let her dog do its business on her concrete patio which was above mine and then she would sweep it over the edge until my patio below looked like a minefield of dog turds.
Dogs need yards and should not be locked up in a cage or in an apartment nor should their barking invade the space of others.
If you own a dog, live in an apartment, and the noise from that dog’s barking is inside the apartments of your neighbors then you are a shitty inconsiderate person!
That first paragraph is kind of a roundabout way of telling everyone you don’t own a dog or understand crating.
The other stuff is 100% the owners just sucking, but keeping a dog in a crate when nobody is home is not one of them.
understand crating
It seems to be a rather lazy way to deal with a dog. Instead of training them and just dealing with what might happen as a result of owning a dog (some stuff getting chewed), people just lock them up in cages.
The other stuff is 100% the owners just sucking, but keeping a dog in a crate when nobody is home is not one of them.
You’re literally locking your dog in a cage for hours on end. If you have to resort to that you’ve definitely failed as an owner. How that’s even legal in some places is beyond me.
It seems to be a rather lazy way to deal with a dog. Instead of training them and just dealing with what might happen as a result of owning a dog (some stuff getting chewed), people just lock them up in cages.
Putting them in a cage to limit their stimuli is part of training.
Fucked up and lazy sounding form of “training” you guys have.
I have never heard that about crating, what’s the story there?
It’s to ween them from separation anxiety and create a safe place for them to go to feel calm. If done correctly, eventually you wouldn’t have to leave them locked in the cage while you’re gone because if they get anxious, they will just go into the crate willingly to chill out.
Nothing about that requires a crate, though. Not inherently.
They are descendants of animals that lived in dens. You’re not supposed to put your dog in a crate when it doesn’t want to be there. You introduce the crate with the door open and use dog treats to entice your dog to go inside. You gradually train your dog to go in and stay in, usually they are motivated by food and it reinforces their behavior. Once they have been crate trained they love it and it is their comfortable safe space. You never put a dog in a crate that it doesn’t want to be in, it makes them not like the crate. Each dog will have a different amount of time that they are comfortable in a crate. You can’t just put them there as long as you want.
depends on the type of dog really, and nothing is preventing you from involving more agencies than the apartment manager - other than general laziness and/or the desire to be a victim.
This is why I while I’d love to have pets I don’t want the animals or the neighbors suffer.
Shitty dog owners should be banned
FTFY
Complain to your local bylaw officers. Most cities have noise bylaws, tell them to show up sometime when the neighbour is at work so they can witness the noise themselves and mention it happens every day and that they refuse to rectify the situation.
My downstairs neighbours have a dog. Sometimes he barks a little when he’s on the balcony and sees something exciting, but otherwise he’s a very good boy :)
As a former building/property manager, the steps to take are to record the audio, then take the complaint directly by email to your management company. You must specify that the problem should be solved within one week and that if not resolved you will escalate.
Don’t argue, don’t negotiate, simply establish the request that the noise be dealt with.
After one week, go to the tenancy board in your area, and go through them. Keeps receipts and recordings.
You have the legal right not to be disturbed in your rented accommodation, and it’s too bad, so sad if they have dogs. Other tenants may not disturb your peace at any time, period.
Don’t communicate to anybody verbally about this, don’t complain to your neighbor, don’t verbally tell the landlady, just go straight to the management company with a documented request, and follow up with legal enforcement.
I’ve had dogs in apartments do well, the fact of the matter is there’s not enough space for every man and his dog to have a backyard.
I live in an apartment with a dog. We don’t put him in a cage, that sounds crazy and cruel. We give him a morning, afternoon and evening walk. On days we both work we hire a dog walker for the afternoon. He never barks.
Most dog owners shouldn’t be dog owners.
Sad but true.
I know they’re fictional, but when I was watching Succession and saw that Shiv and Tom had a dog, my first thought was “that poor dog”.
They would have help that looked after the dogs at least.
I eventually did come to that conclusion. lol. But I still was like, “yeah, those people should not have a dog”
Same with children.
A lot of apartment have size/weight limits for dogs for sort-of that reason. But never underestimate how large a Jack Russell sounds when it’s zooming on the floor above you lol.
I fully agree dogs should not be crated all day and left alone. That’s horrible for them. It takes some work, and you have to accept some things will get chewed up at first, but you can absolutely acclimate your dogs to being alone while you’re away and behaving. When I’m away, my dogs mostly just sleep until I get back and will only bark as I’m leaving or as I’m walking to the door.
I’m not saying crates don’t have their purpose, and I have crated my dogs, but never all day, every day.
I’m not saying crates don’t have their purpose
Hopefully you mean just for when you’re transporting them or something. No valid reason to put them into a cage in your own home
This is a false and stupid statement made by someone who doesn’t understand dog behavior
Please tell me about the necessity of you locking your dog in a cage in your own home.
Dogs are burrowing animals and they feel the most relaxed when in a small space. That’s normally where they eat and sleep.
That doesn’t mean it’s a necessity but it also doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with crate training. And in fact, it’s the most sure fire way to potty train them, because it makes them feel like they’re in their home.
Well locking them in there would what’s wrong with it. If you’re not doing that then there’s no issue
Mostly, yeah.
If you do proper crate training and don’t use it as a punishment device or leave them in there for long periods of time, they’ll associate it as their safe space. When I travel with my dogs, I’ll bring the crate in, and they’ll go to it if they get overwhelmed with the unfamiliar environment/people. In those cases, the door isn’t even attached. One dog is small and the other medium, so they just curl up together in the giant crate I bought with plenty of room to spare / stand up / move around (it’s made for Great Danes and other extra large breeds).
At home, I had to put the puppy in the crate at night for the first week or so because she was getting into, chewing up, or peeing all over everything while I was sleeping. For a dog of her size, the massive crate was more like a kennel. After the first week and she got used to things, I folded the crate back up and put it away until the next time I need it to travel.
It’s fine to have doggy beds or those doggy houses. If it was a thing they couldn’t freely go in and out of, that’s just a cage and that’d obviously be another matter.
At home, I had to put the puppy in the crate at night for the first week or so because she was getting into, chewing up, or peeing all over everything while I was sleeping.
I mean you didn’t have to but I’m sure it makes things simpler than waking up and making sure they’re getting up to no good and training them without the cage. It does often like an easy way out. Poor doggies.
I feel like you’re picturing a battery cage like are used in those inhumane factory farms. That is not the case for what I’m describing.
The crate I have is 4 feet tall, 5 feet long, and 4 feet deep. The puppy was a 5 month old Jack Russell that weighed 16 pounds. Babies in play pens are more constrained than she was. Plus, she was only in there overnight from about midnight to 6 am with pee breaks at 2 and 4am… And that was only for the first week. After that and since, she’s slept in the bed. A few weeks after that, once she was on a pee schedule, she was able to be given free reign of the house at night (e.g. I stopped closing the bedroom door at night).
I’m generally against crating because most people don’t use them correctly. Dogs like to have safe spaces. Eventually, the whole house becomes their safe space, but it takes time for them to adjust; the crate, when used correctly, can give them a space space until they feel at home.
I’ve always wondered how people insisting on the cages deal with the idea of locking the dog up being good and necessary for the dog. Do some just consider it not feeling safe for the dog unless the human can lock it up and make sure the dog can’t leave? Because what separates the cages/crates from a doggy bed with a roof is that lockable door.
Giving the dog their own safe place is one thing, locking them in there is another.
Lol, the crate I have is 4 feet tall, 5 feet long, and 4 feet deep. The puppy was a 5 month old Jack Russell that weighed 16 pounds. Babies in play pens are more constrained than she was. Plus, she was only in there overnight from about midnight to 6 am with pee breaks at 2 and 4am… And that was only for the first week. After that and since, she’s slept in the bed. A few weeks after that, once she was on a pee schedule, she was able to be given free reign of the house at night (e.g. I stopped closing the bedroom door at night).
It does sound far separated from people routinely putting their dog in a cage for 8+ hours because they can’t be arsed to train them. Though I’ve just considered pee in unfortunate places and other “misbehaviour” just something you sign up for when you get a puppy. Takes a while to train them. Sometimes it’s a big inconvenience and temporarily using a cage to make sure they don’t fuck everything up would be alright, but it’s more of a crutch and definitely not something you always do as a matter of course.
If you have to put a dog in a cage all day, you don’t need a dog.
I recently learned that it’s an actual American practice to do that and it’s seen as good for the dog.
That shit is illegal here lol. It’d be considered animal abuse
These guys ought to know something about dogs
That is fucked up
No. Fuck you if you think that is even remotely accetable. Caging your dog like that is a fucking animal abuse. End of story. The fact that people in usa thinks it’s okay just mean that americans are really fucked and detached from the reality. This is by far not the only thing americans do to their pets that is absolutely illegal elsewhere in thr world
that Americans are really fucked and detached from reality
Yes
These guys don’t propose locking a dog inside
You really ought to read it more closely. Technically they don’t say those specific words, but …,
First line is already lol.
Crate training isn’t “imprisoning” your dog. It gives them their own space and can calm anxiety.
This is some 1984 shit. The whole thing is that you’re locking them in there. You can give them their own space without the imprisoning but for some, this seems unthinkable for whatever reason.
I have skimmed through the page and haven’t found anything about locking the dog inside. It’s an ok practice to let the cage sit open somewhere in your apartment to be a private place for a pet, and the article ey linked seem to talk about that rather than about how to make your dog love prison time
I have no doubt they’d want to avoid saying that. Same way as the chosen terminology is “crate” instead of cage. But every cage/crate they recommend has a lockable door and article talks about the importance of letting your dog out of the cage every once in a while. Sure does seem sketchy
For the record, if the “crate” is just a doggy bed with a roof and no door or anything, there’s no issue. It’s a nice cozy place for the dog. If it has a lockable door and you’re locking them in there as part of your “training”, that’s messed up. Some seem to use the same term for both.
Lockable door should be used when you need to transport a pet, whether it’s a dog or a cat they should be okay with a transportation cage and need training for that.
Well, at least that’s what I know from experience, can’t be sure about the article authors
Transporting is obviously a different matter. But reading the comments here and reading the article, it does seem to imply actually locking the cage in your own home. Which is nuts.
My dog goes in a cage with a lockable door for ten hours every day.
It’s only about 450 sq ft and he seems fine
Uhh wat
Another Finn here.
Crate-training itself is not illegal in Finland. There are, however, requirements for crate size and limits on how long a dog can be kept in a crate.
My one-year-old pup is crate trained and had enforced crated naps as a puppy. He is a very active breed that tends to have trouble managing their own excitement level, especially when young. These days the crate sits open and the pup elects to sleep in it most nights, and sometimes during the day if he wants to be left alone.
In addition, he has a collision-tested car crate that keeps him safe while traveling. He treats it like his puppy crate and just snoozes through most drives.
I don’t see an issue with crate training if it is done with the dog’s needs in mind. Crate is not a convenient storage to keep your pet in, and a dog should not be left crated for an entire work day. They need space and enrichment in their days to be happy and healthy.
But it’s only for transporting, sickness or “other acceptable temprorary reasons demands it”.
vain, jos eläimen kuljettaminen, sairaus tai muu tilapäinen ja hyväksyttävä syy sitä vaatii.
Some are just using it for convenience when they are worried their stuff gets chewed or because it makes their life easier. It’s not exactly the situation demanding it. Puppies can be annoying because they “misbehave” and instead of responsible training, some just yeet them into the cage and lock the door, hoping to deal with it later (if at all). Lazy and not responsible pet ownership.
Here where?
Finland.
And Sweden.
If you have to put a dog in a cage all day, you don’t deserve a dog
FTFY
What pisses me off is when they have weight limits or extra fees for animals meanwhile my neighbors kids are literally throwing themselves into the walls and screaming as loud as they can.
I think I’d rather listen to the dog
Meanwhile on lemmy : “let’s have more apartment complexes and high density buildings built”.
Thanks. I’ll pass.
I feel your missing a lot of buance there. I mean that doesn’t mean everyone has to live in apartments. The point is that we need a shit ton of housing in the US, and the fastest way to make them is with spartments, especially in large cities where public transit works well with high density housing.
You don’t want to live in an apartment? Don’t. But at least the people who don’t have many options due to finances, or people who are comfortable living in apartments have that option. This takes the purchasing pressure off of larger homes, further from the city, so those homes also don’t cost as much.
Won’t argue with that.
I’ve just seen to many posts of people literally saying "don’t build single family homes, only build high density ".
No, for the reason you stated, single family homes are cool adventure adventure trip place but at the moment, yeah we need higher density homes built.
Not sure what you mean by “cool adventure adventure trip place”.
Lol idk how I didn’t notice adding that unnecessary text. Fixed
Lemmy is full of fucking idiots who dont realise that they are just the inverse of NIMBY assholes.
“Fuck literally everyone who doesnt have my set of problems! REAL OR IMAGINED!”
We can have that and make the death penalty available for a wider audience.
In my part of the world we build apartments with actual soundproofing. Using that technology, you don’t hear your neighbours at all.
Would love to see developers here do that, but I have as much faith in that they will do that as I do in believing that pigs will grow wings and fly at Mach 5.
Seems like something that could actually be worthwhile to put into the zoning codes, instead of complete inanity like R1, absolutely huge minimum lot sizes, absurd setbacks and minimum parking requirements.
Honestly I get the environmental aspect of high density cities but yeah fuck living that close to other people
That dog has separation anxiety. That’s not normal dog behavior. There are ways of treating it; hopefully your neighbor figures that out!
The neighbor isn’t there to witness it or deal with it.
They know. Most likely they have the dog in the cage because without doing so it probably causes damage when they leave. Chewed furniture, garbage cans, window blinds, etc. also the barking probably starts as soon as they put them in the cage because it will associate the cage with being separated.
It’s perfectly possible to have a dog in an apartment if you’re not lazy about it.
Keeping a dog in a cage in general is just cruel, and so is leaving them unattended for extended periods of time, for the record. In fact, it’s not even legal where I live to leave your dog for longer than 6 hours without the opportunity to go to the bathroom.
Owning a dog and living in an apartment should naturally require you to both walk the dog frequently so that it gets activated and has the chance to go to the bathroom, and to train the dog to never bark.
