Sure give everybody a 100k salary as the minimum wage. All companies can afford that, right?
I’ll quit my fuckin’ job and go do the most bullshit easy job there is for 100k all day. No need for special skills anymore, just do some basic shit.
So the way it actually works is you say” Hey fucking McDonald’s is paying this much, pay me more or I go find another job.”
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OKOh, Kai Winn.Explains a lot about your attitude, TBH.
No idea what that means, and I don’t give a fuck.
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What is this, the OK corral?
This is kinda the point.
Let all full time jobs pay good enough. Want skilled labor? Better give incentive to take that responsibility, or we will all work high school level jobs. It’s about goddamn time the tables were turned. I’m tired of hearing “you’re fortunate to have this job.” No, you’re fortunate to make a killing off of us.
Not saying I agree with the number, but I wholeheartedly agree with the message.
Let all full time jobs pay good enough. Want skilled labor? Better give incentive to take that responsibility, or we will all work high school level jobs.
Having worked in “high end” jobs and “high school labor” - a lot of incentive will already be that you don’t break your back. Being able to sit. Being able to take coffee breaks and chats in the kitchen. I’d take my husband’s programming job over my jobs as a high end fashion salesperson or a lab technician every time, even if I made more in my jobs than he does.
I think also a lot of people have an innate desire to learn and move forward. Given the opportunity, my guess would be that a lot of people would decide to get further education. Also responsibility. Some people enjoy having a lot of responsibility, lead teams, etc. Imagine if just the people who actually wanted to do this for the sake of it became team leads or managers, not because they wanted to make more money in that position.
At the end of the day, everyone should be paid because they put time of their day doing something they wouldn’t do for free. I don’t care whether you’re a lawyer or making sandwiches. If both have worked 8 hours today, both should go home with a nice wage that they can live off.
If $50 is too much, give us a counter offer. What do you think? $35?
Right‽ The fight for 15 is like 20 fucking years old now and we’re still not actually there!
Might as well go for 50 at this rate since it’ll take fucking forever before we get anywhere
I like this because it’s yanking the overton window just a hair leftward so we might start having actual conversations about it.
whatever the rate, it should be indexed to the cpi.
Hell yeah comrade. The capitalists have made us squirm for a meager non-living wage long enough. Let’s start automating bullshit jobs and redistributing the wealth they create.
Sounds great!
50$ is well into the range of middle class wages - it’d probably be easier to just shift the discussion to UBI.
UBI is always the star compared to increased minimum wage, since it allows a lot of decoupling of your access to basic necessities from your ability to work or find employment.
A world with adequate UBI, or similar arrangements, and (obviously) universal healthcare and a functioning education system and all that jazz, is a world where unemployment rates don’t matter, where you don’t need to create artificial jobs to accomodate for the large amounts of people who can’t find work.
When you think about it, the entire concept of “this policy is good and should become law because it creates paying jobs” is pretty fucked up, why are people starving as a result of job roles in society being sufficiently filled? High unemployment is often a sign of a healthy and functioning society, yet with our economic system it’s a sign of a dysfunctional society because not having paying jobs available means people can’t obtain a decent standard of living.
And our system’s response to this issue is to abuse it by subjecting the remaining available jobs either to extremely low pay, poor working conditions, little to no protections, OR to make the job inaccessible to most people, to make the (usually financial) barrier to entry so incredibly high that it creates an artificial shortage.
Thanks, American-style capitalism, I hate it
Only because of 50 years of middle class wages failing to keep up with productivity gains.
Oh, definitely - but UBI is the solution to kill this problem dead forever (or better social safety nets) such a high minimum wage would likely just exacerbate wealth inequality as decades of underwhelming wage increases means that everyone but the rich would be making about the same amount of money and all that extra income would be captured by landlords and greedy corporations.
I like increasing the minimum wage - I think sudden drastic increases just erases middle and lower class savings while letting the richest capture more wealth.
Por que, and I mean this with total earnest, no los dos?
Los dos would be pretty sweet - my only concern is that this might make small savings (less than 200k) essentially worthless and widen the inequality gap.
If this was implemented with a graduated wealth tax it’d be amazing but most of the good would be from that wealth tax.
The thing to be cautious about with minimum wage increases is that outstanding debts and credits are minimized due to some inherent inflation - that’s great for lower income families in debt but bad for people with modest savings (people with excessive wealth will usually ride the stock market and avoid feeling any inflation)… an increase that steep would put everyone but the super rich in the same position and further the wealth gap unless other actions were taken.
Dumbest shit i ever heard
A recording of yourself speaking?
What is?
It was mute, no one heard anything.
I mean yeah, it is unsustainable to live in California, especially in LA. It sounds like it’ll just lead to inflation, which it will to some degree, but realistically it’ll allow you to move to different locations, afford to live somewhere closer to work, afford transportation easier, and a bunch of other things that boost the economy and improve the quality of life for the people living there.
Not everyone is a minimum wage employee, so this isn’t going to be the same as giving everyone $100 for rent, ie. Increasing the price of a specific thing. The inflation will be spread out amongst a large amount of items and so a 50% increase in wage with an increased inflation per item of 1% is a net positive, and this is for the people who struggle the most with affording living necessities.
Why not pay people $500 instead ted Cruz asks? Bc you don’t value people’s lively hoods
This sounds high to most people, but if the minimum wage had kept up with its inflation-adjusted peak (1968), it’d be somewhere in the range of $31 to $32 an hour right now.
It never caught back up afterward, and has been severely harpooned in the years since, shifting unfathomable quantities of money to the wealthiest people. And it’s not just minimum wage workers… when you sink the wage and salary floor, nearly everyone made less than they should have been.
And it’s not just minimum wage workers… when you sink the wage and salary floor, nearly everyone made less than they should have been.
This is the main roadblock to getting the issue fixed. People making more than minimum but not much more than the increased amount compared their salary and work to minimum wage jobs, never considering that their pay would be raised as a side effect. If people can get nearly the same pay for what they perceive as less work then companies would have to raise wages to keep current and hire new staff going forwards.
Yes other product prices would raise as well, people have more money to spend, but all evidence shows that those would not be the same rate as the wage increase.
It’s the classic, “fuck you, I got mine”, attitude so prevalent today in our society.
I have a coworker that will bring up how places like Target are starting to offer a minimum wage almost comparable to his wage as a engineering field technician. “It’s fucked up, I mean imagine if they raised it to your wage as a college grad, how would you feel? Random teenagers making as much as you!”
“It IS fucked up, but not for the reason you think. They SHOULD be making more money… but so should the rest of us!”
He usually just mutters to himself and drops it. Propaganda is a helluva drug.
Where did your values come from? I found minimum wage for 1968 at $1.60, which is about $15 an hour today. It’s about 45% lower real wages today.
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, $1.60 in January of 1968 is equivalent to $14.47 in 2024. Maybe they’re also accounting for the uncompensated increased efficiency of modern workers?
Regardless, it’s a legitimate question and getting rebuffed for legitimate questions is a pretty Reddit thing to do. Come on guys, we’re better than this.
This thirty something an hour assertion has been going around for years. I’ve long since stopped bothering with the inflation calculators.
I was born in the early seventies, and witnessed that financial struggle existed even back then.
Yes, getting a house was more realistic (double digit mortgage interest rates notwithstanding). If you could snag a good job. The biggest difference I can remember is that a whole lot of blue collar jobs were good jobs.
Just about all of us in my age group remember food stamps and watered down frozen orange juice to stretch the food dollar and only getting five dollars of gas because filling the tank was way too ambitious.
The rose colored glasses of past financial wellness are heavily focused on the post war white new middle class that lasted what, twenty years?
I should note that I spent the seventies sharing a bedroom with my sister in a two bedroom rented duplex unit. Sharing a bedroom was quite common at the time. Even middle class houses were generally in the 1,100 square foot range, not the 3,000 square foot behemoths we’ve come to view as normal today.
… and $50 would be 60% more than that?
If fifty an hour became minimum wage, I’d get the hell out of my soul crushing accounting gig and go become a parking lot attendant faster than you can say, “cash or credit?”
It’s three o’clock in the morning and I’m just leaving for work. I got home after eight last night. This won’t stop until late October. I spend those hours getting yelled at by rich people. I’d LOVE to downgrade my profession.
sounds like you just need a new employer. Most people don’t work 3am-8pm…
Imagine how much they’d have to raise your current wage to remain competitive. Especially with such a poor work life balance.
That’s my point. The whole thing sets off massive currency devaluation
I wonder what that would be like… /s
LOL
“Of course we have national minimum wages that we need to raise to a living wage. You’re talking about 20, 25 dollars, fine. But I have got to be focused on what California needs and what the affordability factor is when we calculate this wage.”
To me this sounds like she’s calling for a $50 state wage, not a federal one.