I find the quality and variety of discussions on the fediverse to be lower than what I had on reddit. Lemmings have strong preconceived notions and little interest in changing viewpoints from new information. I think I’ll be switching back.
Edit: you’ll find that most of the comments deny any shortcomings of the culture and go directly to invalidating my opinions via character assassination. If lemmy was a community that actually stood for the ideals which it espouses it would take constructive criticism in the spirit in which it was intended. QED.
Lemmy just has an unusually large number of passionate young people on it. Not surprising when you consider the Fediverse as more of a rebellious option looking to upend the dominance of the giants.
Also makes it feisty though. It’s kinda on you to make it good for yourself by controlling what communities you sub to though.
If you look at the conservative community, all their posts are downvoted (at least every time I’ve peeked at it). Same with the Joe Rogan community.
They don’t have respite in their own communities on lemmy, due to users browsing all and downvoting their posts.
Maybe on specific instances that cater towards propoganda and extremism, but not on the Fediverse itself.
The thing is that the votes don’t matter on Lemmy, they are purely for organizing content in the home/all feed if you sort by Top. You shouldn’t worry about being downvoted. It doesn’t down rank you in the algorithm and restrict your ability to post like on Reddit.
I don’t think most Lemmy users would support the idea that all ideas and opinions deserve equal consideration, so, yeah, that’s going to happen.
What makes the Fediverse unique is they could actually take steps to stop that if they wanted, by defederating from the higher population Instances. Most services would not give them that option. They have equal right to be here, but that does not amount to equal right to be liked and agreed with.
That said, I do agree that the downvoting gets a little out of control on here sometimes.
Oh I 100% agree with you. I have mixed feelings about how their communities are downvoted, but I’ll admit I’m mildly amused by it.
You could try !conservative@lemm.ee
It at least pretends to be conservative
… e switching back
Bye!
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out
Don’t let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya!
I don’t agree with that at all. Just because you don’t agree with the majority opinion doesn’t make it an echo chamber. People downvoting your comment doesn’t make it less valid.
Unlike in Reddit where being downvoted will hide you comment, potentially rate limit you, and users are ranked based on their karma.
There are no algorithmic manipulations on the fediverse. People may not agree with you but they aren’t going to silence you.
The one thing I would agree with you is that there is a segment of neurotic posters that think that instances should defed with any instance that don’t ban users for being conservative because they consider all conservatives to be members of a right-wing hate cult. Those people should not be taken seriously and thankfully the big instances don’t take that approach so you can still have a positive experience on the fediverse without being a communist
I think I’ll be switching back.
Not possible. The reddit that you’re longing for died a very long time ago. Subreddits are entrenched into their positions and will only berate you and bash you if you go against that grain.
What you’re describing here isn’t lemmy. It’s the internet in general.
Edit: Ohhhhhhhhhhh. You’re a Trump supporter. That explains why you don’t want to be here. It’s not that this place is an echo chamber. It’s that you’re petrified of logic and fact.
OP must have just noped out of government and economics in high school.
You just described most Americans, sadly…
He probably just hasn’t gotten to that year in high school yet
Slapping the rails like this is exactly the lack of nuance that lemmy has. You’re either with us or against us. That’s not how people look at issues. What matters is how people are treated. I’m not going to vote for someone who harms people. Being pragmatic to avoid a bad scenario? Don’t even bother.
Being pragmatic to avoid a bad scenario?
You’re not being pragmatic. Being pragmatic is to take the lesser of two evils. You’re taking a different option entirely. Inaction. That is why you aren’t respected for your political opinions.
“Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.” - John Stuart Mill (A quote butchered and falsely attributed to Edmund Burke)
How is contacting politicians and alerting people to key issues (that will cost the election) inaction? Inaction is plugging your ears and saying “nothing can be done to change the status quo”.
I don’t plan to vote
Contacting your elected officials and trying to get them to do something? Awesome! Allowing the entire country to fall into the hands of a fascist, dooming millions of people and fucking over one of the worlds largest economies because the president won’t simply say a thing you don’t like? Pathetic.
Receipts! Kapow!
You have exactly one bargaining chit with politicians each election. First you need to make it very clear what is required in exchange for it, then you need to follow through. If you fail to do either then you’ll just get more of the same or worse.
If you fail to do either then you’ll just get more of the same or worse.
I know! I’ll stand in front of an A-10C and get the pilot to pull the trigger so that way someone can’t shoot me in the toe with a Daisy Air Rifle! I’m a fucking genius.
Being pragmatic is to take the lesser of two evils. You’re taking a different option entirely. Inaction.
I will admit I fell into this during the first election cycle in which I could vote, which was 2016. I couldn’t stomach voting for Hillary after the Debbie Wasserman Schultz/DNC corruption with Bernie.
I dispised trump, but refused to vote for the lesser of two evils. Never again… I’m not a big fan of Biden, but I voted for him and I will eagerly do so again.
I get it. I don’t think anyone expected Trump to be as truly horrific as he was. A bad president? Yes. But a nigh dictator? What a lot of us feared but never thought it’d actually happen. But at this point it literally is the option between a mediocre president who could do a lot better and the death of the republic. Glad you see that. Wish a lot of people like OP would too.
I personally didn’t think he had a chance to be elected… I thought Hillary was going to win and didn’t want to cast a vote for her because I disliked her as a candidate. But I would definitely go back vote for her if I could.
Anyone that knew his track record did. He’s always been a petulant child. He’s also had criminal connections since the '80s at least. He’s had ties to Russia since the mid '90s. He bankrupted a casino, maybe two. He’s only had one successful business in his life, and that was his “reality TV” show. I saw his face when he won, he was expecting to lose, and nobody in that room was happy when it was announced that he won. They all realized that all their dirty laundry was gonna come out with the level of scrutiny that the POTUS is normally under.
What did he do that was being a dictator? Pulling out of Syria?
Your entire account is dedicated to making inflammatory and trolling comments. I’ll pass on this discussion, thanks.
And that attitude is why they will never change.
Why change when people will always bend the knee?
The solution isn’t just voting. Vote for the better of 2 shitty candidates, AND get involved at the local level to fight for change. Sometimes that can look like getting involved in local politics to push the democratic party left from the ground up. Other times it looks like mutual aid and community organizing.
Ignoring everything else, Reddit also lacks nuance. Both of these forums live in a black and white world, and I agree that you’re either on their side or you’re against them.
I don’t agree with other things you’re saying but I really only wanted to comment on that one issue. There is no nuance.
Good fucking god, you’re a moron. How did Reddit ever let you leave?
Get 'im, Stamets!
My first thought reading the title was “Better check his posting history, probably alt right.”
They are certainly outnumbered on lemmy and face factual rebuttals without insulation of echo-chamers.
Not everyone is here for debate and proselytizing. You want to have debates then go scream at people in the streets with your face visible and with arms length of whomever you’re offending. I’m here for fine art, painted miniatures, and owl pictures. Those are procured with civility not dumpster fire opinions.
What about Star Trek memes?
I’m not personally a fan anymore, but I’m not really a fan of television or movies at this point in my life. I used to watch a lot of NG and DS9 back in the day.
I do realize that Lemmy does run on Star Trek memes and its absence would be like removing the coal out of a steam engine.
To answer your question they’re not for me, but I do respect the impact ST memes are having.
I see where you’re coming from but I also get reddit-ass pandentic arguments here. People downvoting you for posting an unpopular opinion on unpopularopinion is peak reddit as well.
Since I can get the wider reddit experience without spez, I will just stay. I use an alt front to see the smaller communities on reddit once in a blue moon. That’s what works for me.
Yay! So glad you’re leaving.
The niche topics are expanding on the fediverse but it’s not quite there yet.
The general topics on Reddit are full of uninteresting posts and comments. Quality community members have definitely left.
I can’t tell if you think it’s an echo chamber because there are too many like-minded people here, or if your opinions generally fall apart under scrutiny. You may want to evaluate this.
Incels got banned from Reddit so they migrated here.
haha never, here you can breath a fresh air of people and freedom, in twitter you have the freedom that a company “gives” to you. I am in both, but I am more proud to be here than to be on bruhddit.
Yeah Lemmy is extremely self-righteous. Though I think they were worse in the early days.
your mom’s vagina is a bigger echo chamber with more traffic than reddit or lemmy… crawl back inside, maybe you’ll be safe there…
rule 2
rule 2 hates the truth… it’s running from reality…
