I mean it definitely depends on the circumstances. If Russia attacks here then I’m absolutely fighting.
Who would you fight? The missile coming at you? I don’t think we would need many soldiers in a fight vs Russia.
If Russia attacks here then I imagine it would be somewhat like in Ukraine where manpower definitely helps.
They can’t attack here like in Ukraine as there is no land to move across. They would have to use their sad navy to try to land troops crossing many miles of ocean out in the open. Not possible.
That’s how they do it, you know. Build up the enemy as this absolutely big bad that you feel you have to.
Russia has always built itself as an enemy. You’re dumb if you think ot’s just propaganda.
And I even specified I was talking about a situation where Russia attacks my country. Fucking lmao, not sure what those other guys are smoking.
Russia attacks my country
“You know, that’s how they do it, they make Russia feel like the big bad enemy you have to fight against”
Lmao WHAT?!? If they’re literally attacking my country then of course I’m fighting to defend it??
What makes you think Russia will attack your country?
Ukraine, Crimea, Georgia…
Pretty soon they’ll be invading Canada, huh?
The person you originally replied to lives in a country bordering Russia that was invaded by them in the past.
About as likely to be invaded as Canada. Just look at how much they’re struggling with Ukraine.
I’m not sure if you misunderstood the discussion but this is what I wrote (bolded for emphasis)
I mean it definitely depends on the circumstances. If Russia attacks here then I’m absolutely fighting.
I’m saying that if that were to happen, then I’d fight in the WW3.
What if Australia invaded your country? Obviously the if is because you consider it a possibility.
What if Australia invaded your country?
I would defend it.
Obviously the if is because you consider it a possibility.
Not how hypotheticals work but it obviously is a possibility.
Ehhh… Not really. The one thing that the US has over every other nation currently is its deep water Navy. We could project power like that, and have done so for about 80 years now… China is the only nation that is even building a deep water Navy, but they have yet to attempt to project power past one of their neighbors.
Australia has literally zero chance to invade Finland no matter how much shit talking the Russians blame on Finland.
Found the Russia apologist. Obviously Russia was used as an example country because they are actively and illegally invading Ukraine right the fuck now, while threatening to invade the rest of eastern Europe.
How am I an apologist for pointing out chicken little bullshit? Do you fantasize about Russia invading your country? Let’s be realistic here, Russia can’t even overtake Ukraine and you think they’re going to take over the world.
And, funnily enough, Alaska. I almost want to see them try that shit.
Russia attacks my country
To quote the Greatest President of My Generatoin “We need to fight them over there so we won’t be fighting them over here.”
That’s why I’m enlisting in the Ukrainian National Guard and I hope you’ll all join me.
I’m fine with just sending money and materiel to support the Ukrainian efforts. I’m hoping to avoid fighting in a war.
Why? What difference edoes it make to you who runs the joint?
It makes a huge difference if I live under democracy in Finland or under Putin in Russia. What the fuck are you smoking
Look mate, all I’m saying is that Russia is saying the same things to their citizens. And Germans were saying the same things to theirs. And the Pope was saying the same things to the crusaders.
Likewise, a country is just imaginary, made by the rich to separate who can exploit the people in a specific geography. By all means, fight for it, but just know you’re being played.
Russia literally attack my country, Russian soldiers are pouring over the border, I’m about to join to defend it
“You know Pope told the same thing to crusaders, besides countries are imaginary, why do you care if you live in your own country or as part of Russia under Putin. You are just being played.”
Lmao, you people can’t be serious, this is beyond fucking stupid
Aight mate, you do you.
wants to defend my country from Russia literally attacking and trying to invade it
“You do you mate”
I’m in awe. This has been the best exchange I’ve had in quite some while. I’m almost too flabbergasted to laugh
I’m just glad you get so much excitement out of my 5 words reply.
I feel dumber for having read this comment.
An important detail to notice here is that a user calling themselves kusimulkku is likely to be writing this from Finland. Which may result in an important difference of perspective.
Finland is correct. Though I have no idea what sort of situation those other people assumed to warrant such a claim.
There is the danger of manufacturing consent.
https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/spotlight-primary-source/remember-maine-1898
Raising tensions then using an incident to light the touch paper.
Russian’s at the border is one thing.
But the most likely “attack” on the US is going to be much smaller.
Note the Houthis attacking merchant ships. Under a US flag.
There are 2 options
- retaliate.
or
- tell the ships to go round and use sanctions and other non violent diplomatic tools to resolve the situation.
Option 1 is an escalation.
Option 2 is not.
The US military is is an odd position. I’d defend Ukraine from Russia. I’d defend Palestine from Israel. I’d defend Israel from Palestine.
I wouldn’t support an aggressor.
There is a moral obligation to support violence in that it must be a necessary defence.
Joining the US military we’ve grown up seeing the US as an aggressor continuously. Supporting aggressors, not sanctioning them.
Then with Ukraine there is reluctance to help a defender.
A country that invaded nations at the drop of a hat 20 years ago has a recruitment problem. No surprises there.
If Russian troops are crossing the border then it’s Russians who have manufactured the consent for violent action to drive them the fuck away.
I agree, but if that’s the way the US, or any other NATO country, gets attacked I’ll be surprised.
This is not the war that is proposed, it’s a series of proxy wars. Just like Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and the decades long conflict with Palestine.
Ask if you’ll defend yourself, you’ll say yes.
Ask if you’ll defend others, the answer is usually “it depends”.
Ask if you’ll go fight in a proxy war which protects largely corporate interests, you’ll say no.
Joining the American military is saying yes to all 3. That’s the recruitment issue going on there.
If Russia attacks the US, our government would try to use that as a recruitment tool, and would probably succeed.
Meanwhile the majority of us would be cheering on the Alaskan citizens that are armed for wildlife that would stop a T-70 in its tracks, to say nothing of the poor Russian conscripts.
Nobody look up what Finland was doing in the 1930s.
Why is that relevant
😎
You need to be clearer about what point you’re trying to make or the reader has to choose for you. What I’m getting is
Finnish Great Grandpa did some bad shit, so whatever Russia is doing now is ok
If Russia attacks
Don’t worry, we’ve got Sarah Palin on watch.
Are you referring to the infamous Alaska comment? Send Palin to my country, we can give her a spot and binoculars.
I found her comment less ridiculous after learning what separates Alaska & Russia:
Tbf I always thought it was a joke and not serious
Well, good for you. I’m not.
That’s why I was only talking about myself
The first gun they’ll give me I’ll aim at myself and be done with it.
Turkish firearms have a protection on the trigger to prevent you from committing die
Where there’s a will there’s a way.
Personally I’d choose a grenade pressed against my skull. No chance of survival when your brain is quite literally puréed
Interesting, how would that work? An extra trigger you need to press before it fires which you can’t reach? That would seem like a hassle on the battlefield, if that safety would make it even the tiniest bit more difficult to fire when an enemy approaches.
You can aim it at your commanding officer first!
Ah the Afghani strategy.
Throwing a grenade in a CO’s tent is a tradition from Vietnam, and I’m hoping it makes a come back.
Fragging.
RIP Pat Tillman.
Uhm, doofus, nobody’s gonna fight in ww3.
Bombs get launched and we ALL die, that’s how ww3 is faught.
It’s frightening how little the younger generations understand about nuclear war.
You couldn’t be more wrong.
Me looking at the handful of declassified missile defense sites and wondering what shit we have that isn’t known.
Yeah… it’ll just be that simple Mr. Armchair General.
NATO gets assailed and everybody responds, which is the whole point. That’s an unwanted fission excess immediately.
There have been plenty of wars fought in the age of nuclear weapons that, strangely enough, have not resulted in the use of nuclear weapons. There’s a few of them going on right now, in fact!
Not directly between nuclear powers though.
Which nuclear powers do you foresee entering into direct conflict in a theoretical WW3 scenario based on current conditions?
In context of being a hypothetical world war, I do believe the current major powers, some of which have nukes, need to be involved. By definition, the answer to your question would have to be someone on this list.
I don’t see how the current geopolitical climate results in any of those coming into direct conflict rather than just continuing to wage thinly veiled proxy wars. The only WW3 scenario I can imagine right now looks more like an intensification of the current situation.
I do not see any world wars happening anytime soon either, given a somewhat rational (read non-suicidal) leadership of key nations. The original comment you responded to said that none would survive a nuclear total war, to which you replied that there have been wars fought in the nuclear age. This is true, even to the point of proxy wars between nuclear powers. However, they are not world wars, for which I think the original comment’s argument holds true. In effect the idea is that a world war would almost by definition have some nuclear power on either side.
If a world war can only exist between nuclear powers then does the first one (and most of the second) not count?
Yes previous generations never objected to war.
Fucking Moron.
As a veteran, I feel this. I wish I’d served crack instead too.
So…they are going to send gen x and gen alpha?
Gen X here, fuck that noise.
We’re too old. There’s a reason they recruit high schoolers. They don’t have enough life experience to know when they should say, “with all due respect sir, fuck that,” when given an unlawful order. Also they know we are more likely to kill the officers if we decide to go out.
I mean, recruit the gen x to be the officers and the gen alpha gamers to pilot the combat androids and drones.
pilot the combat androids
I’m convinced this near-future sci-fi bullshit exists as a means of suckering in 19-year-olds who think they won’t be in the trenches getting mortars dropped on their heads.
Cannon fodder will be gen z and millennials /s
Like this tactic is even new, just replace “near-future sci-fi” with “DnD + American Gladiators” and you have the same dumb shit but 25 years ago
don’t worry, I hear there are a bunch of states in the US that are readying the next batch with moms who died from birth complication, unwanted babies, etc.
Ask Nicolae Ceaușescu what happens next.
Why don’t Presidents fight the war? Why do they always send the poor?
Because the only way to get rid of the poverty is to get rid of the poor.
Fortunate Son. Their is a song about this but let me teach you a lesson about poverty entrapment. Because it’s easy to take advantage of everybody if you artificially take away the most important parts of people’s lives. Capitalism is designed to make you suffer and the military takes advantage of it to send the least fortunate to the front lines in hopes of a monetary reward because capitalism is designed to keep you under unless you are 1%. Now I have an entire population desperate for money and I need lives on the front line you get the shitshow that is capitalism with the military? Eat the rich. Those piggies are fattest and juiciest.
You’re literally responding to song lyrics
/woosh I haven’t heard or listened in a long time.
Fortunate Son was not about fighting Nazis.
I was already in and got out. Fuck 'em.
You’d be amazed what some good old fashion propaganda will do for you.
The US was so gung-ho after 9-11 they accidentally attacked the wrong country. I know they didn’t have any problem getting troops or buy-in from the people of all ages. It was pretty disgusting how quickly your average citizen bought into the bull-shit the Bush administration was selling when it was obviously a lie.
“Accidentally”. That’s funny. Not only because there was more than one.
The US was so gung-ho after 9-11 they accidentally attacked the wrong country.
“accidentally”. Lol.
Yeah. For me it was the same with everyone cheering for Ukraine wanting to get into Nato and putting it in their Constitution even though it would never happen. And then everyone acting surprised when Russia invades after they said they would for years. It was so predictable that I can’t help but assume that it was a deliberate trap set for Russia. Russia is wrong, but it was predictable, inevitable. But everyone was suddenly so gung-ho that possible diplomatic solutions to end this senseless war were not demanded by “the left”. Still isn’t.
And kinda the same with Israel now, the Oct.7 was a horrible atrocity and war crime but they blatantly lied to make it sound even more horrible in order to dehumanize and justify the war crimes they are committing now. But so many on the left are still screaming death! and the news in my “progressive” country is reporting complete propaganda.
Gen-Z is presumably just as easy to brainwash for total war with the right propaganda. Or maybe they will grow up being more resistant to it.
This might have happened. But the internet was still in its infancy, with only MSM having capabilities to stream live for the masses. Social media was limited to forums, BBS, news groups and similar, and they were really a niche.
Seeing all the raw footage of wartorn places on sites like Instagram and TikTok today, and even just sharing them in group chats is a whole new angle that wasn’t there before.
They touted the first Iraq war as the first fully televised war.
The MIC were so proud.
Between propaganda and indecision, a whole generation will learn of conscription.
When you show zero loyalty out, it’s hard to get loyalty back.
I mean, if another world war happened, I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’ll at least be willing to do civilian duty to help the war effort in my country since I can’t join the military due to medical reasons, unless they get desperate and start taking everyone regardless of health issues. I definitely ain’t doing it out of patriotism or nationalism, but just to make my final years feel like they ment something when we inevitably launch the nukes.
I hate the draft
This sentiment of ‘I’m not going to fight’ is funny until the war actually starts. And then it’s either you fight early, or you fight late. Sometimes too late.
Nah. I’d legitimately rather kill myself than fight for my government.
War sounds kinda fun tho (please don’t look at my avatar)
Which one?
USA
Will you turn into spaghetti?
Save a shell for me. ♥️✨
I figured I’d just fuck off out of here before shit goes down. In fact I have no idea why I’m even living in this shithole instead of a paradise island. It costs about 1/10th as much, is tropical, beautiful, and so poor nobody would ever think of invading it. I don’t know about you but I can make that work.
Something tells me you’re from the USA. There are other Western governments, and other places that are arguably better (as in, more comfortable/safe) to live in. Many people have dependents, or things to loose that they value over one’s life.
So yeah, it may be an option for you but that beautiful tropical island won’t fit millions upon millions of people living in the collective West.
100% agree. The only thing that makes me feel better about a lot of the dumb tankie shit people say here is that I know most of them are under the age of 20.
I said dumb shit when I was young too. But I grew out of it. I’m hoping these kids do too.
Then you became an enlightened centrist?
Nah. I’m in my 30s. Fuck dying face down in the mud in a foreign country while protecting ruling class control over others. It’s not a sign of maturity to claim fealty to a system that doesnt care if you live or die, so long as you make your landlord and boss richer.
lol… okay. No worries. When the time comes… others will do that for you so you can sit on your ass and complain about how bad everything is while doing nothing to change it.
Don’t bother responding. Blocked you like I have everyone else with shit attitudes similar to yours.
We’ll keep your Mrs happy
Doubtful, she doesn’t date children.
You thought to yourself, “now that’s a zinger. You’ve done it again, Pratai of Bangalore, you son of a gun did it again!”
And the kid who said they’d “keep my Ms happy?” I’m assuming you responded in kind to them as well?
Ok boomer.
I love it when you kids make it easy to know who has anything useful to say- and who to block from my feed.
Oh no. Anyways…
that’s the main issue though, at least in the US, many citizens feel it would be better to have a complete clear of the entire country so they likely just wouldn’t fight if invaded, the amount of anarchists and just anti-government folk have been gradually rising ever since the pandemic. It doesn’t seem like health wise the country is doing well regardless of the economy status. It is super demoralizing seeing all the news platforms only focus on external wars or how the south is arguing over if it’s legal to jail someone over abortion that happend outside of state line, meanwhile a good portion of folk despite having one of the lowest unemployment rates in years is still living barely paycheck by paycheck. Most feel there’s just nothing they can do.
Wasn’t that amaricas strategy in the past 2 world wars. Like we basically just waited for everyone to wear echother down.
Until someone was like, check this MF out just sitting there, they’re just waiting it out for everyone else to wear each other down!
Incidentally, this was Russia’s plan, too. In fact, still is. We should really pounce on those fuckers while they’re weak.
I’d join whichever side is winning.
What if the campaign is alliance locked?
exit the game
