Her Instagram post, translated in the link:
“Come on settlers, we will slaughter you. We are waiting for you in all the cities of the West Bank. What Hitler did to you was a picnic. We will drink your blood and eat your skulls”
She has since been arrested:
This isn’t an isolated incident. It’s one of many posts by influencers like the Hadid sisters, Mia Khalifa, and more. She’s an idiot, but she’s representative example of Palestinian sentiment at the moment.
The children dying right now are the result of an unrelenting campaign of violent hate speech and teaching hatred in schools.
You can’t blame the children dieing on anyone but the people responsible for actually dropping the bombs and shooting the bullets.
Violence is almost never the answer, and indiscriminate violence actually never ever is.
No one but the children are without fault in this conflict, but still far too many (more than 0) children pay the ultimate price. You can wage war without killing children, it just costs more. But if you can’t pay that price then the war can’t ever be considered just.
A 16 year old is a child, right? Let’s look at some semi-hypotheticals and you tell me who you think is to blame:
War is hell, and it is complicated. Child soldiers will die, and there will be civilians caught in the crossfire. The is no track for this trolley that has 0 children. Any military has to balance the number of civilians killed vs the risk to its own soldiers vs the likelihood of killing their intended targets. If you expect them to sacrifice hundreds or thousands of soldiers just to avoid a few civilians, you grossly misunderstand how the world works. Most military forces will certainly be unwilling to sacrifice a single soldier for a single civilian, even on their own side.
Then Israel must be punished for their disproportionate response.
What is proportionate to the brutal murder of 1400 people, including women and children?
What is proportionate to the ongoing rocket barrages on civilians?
Seriously though - what do you think Israel would do if you were in their shoes? Would you unconditionally surrender and allow Hamas to commit genocide?
Well killing 10,000 people is not exactly proportional. I guess technically it is since that proportion works out to 50:7.
I would move out of the area I occupied. I would feel bad for displacing an entire people for my own fucked up notion of the afterlife. I would feel horrible for allowing my government to perform genocide. I would feel powerless to change anything, but not powerless to stop supporting that government. I would sell any asset in the country, and start over somewhere else.
There is no “complicated political situation”. There are only facts. 70 years ago, an invading army took over Palestinian land with the help of the UN and UK and most superpowers. Now there are those in Palestine who fight it and are being exterminated, and those who accept it and are still being exterminated, because Israel’s intent has always been to seize control of the region and drive darker skinned people out, and this has been a selling point for the terrorist state of Israel to be established ever since day one, which is proven by letters from the 1940s between zionists and their supporters.
You’re just apologizing for war. Why? What’s so good/important about war that you need to defend it? Why is it insane to expect nations to not kill civilians?
War is not a good solution and it should never be the first solution. But it exists and burying your head in the sand and pretending it doesn’t exist is just naive.
By the way, every single one of those examples is real and relatively recent. Today, a 16 year old kid stabbed two border police in Jerusalem and was shot dead by a third. In May 2022, a 16 year old girl was ordered to stand next to an Israeli jeep while they were in a firefight with PIJ fighters. A 13 year old shot two people in January and was killed by one of the men he shot. There have been more than a few talking heads that have claimed the last one, but I doubt there will be any credible news reporting on it.
These are just a handful of examples from recent times. Most of them won’t compare to what happens inside Gaza where the fog of war is going to be thick and intentionally so by both sides.
When kids kill you for trespassing on their land, maybe it’s time to get the fuck out.
Legally and morally yes in amongst every country. Including Israel.
Ed: I should say according to the talmud no one is adult until 18.
Well, I can see you’re not from Iran
I can only find this reference for the Talmud, which is pretty clear that it’s only a recommendation to marry at 18 instead of 13
We’re not talking about Iran.
The law in Israel civilly is 18, the rest is fairly basic and obvious.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dina_d’malkhuta_dina#:~:text='the law of the Government,be preferred to Jewish law.
Did you perhaps mean “almost”? I thought you were taking the absolutist stance that the age of majority is always 18.
How does a citation from Shulchan Arukh suddenly become “according to the Talmud”? It’s literally not part of it.
Yes almost.
Talmidic interpretation matters especially those that are accepted by the majority of that group and that’s ignoring the fact that religious law is second to civil law in Israel so the talmudic interpretation is supporting but not definitive, civil law is.
Shut the fuck up, live in an open air concentration camp for awhile and see how you feel about the occupiers.
I understand perfectly what you’re saying. Antisemitism is a huge problem. That’s not up for debate. There are a lot of stupid people mistaking antisemitism for “pro-Palestine.” Not just anti-Israel—which is the appropriate response— but for legitimate antisemitism.
It’s like third wave feminist-come-latelies that mistake misandry for feminism. That’s not positive nor is it helpful. In fact it’s a problem in and of itself. And yes, this information/political identity literacy needs to be addressed.
BUT. The existence of stupid people does not negate the fact that there is a systematic elimination of Palestinian people by the IDF/Israeli state. You can call that a lot of names, but to avoid likening this atrocity to any historical one for cleanliness of explanation, I will stick to that description: a systematic elimination of a specific identity group from a state/territory. This is the much larger, much more immediate problem that needs to be addressed.
What complicates this issue and conflates these two issues (unnecessarily) is Israel itself, using the shield and cudgel of “antisemitism” to protect itself from MUCH NEEDED criticism and to muddy the waters of this discussion. When you put anyone on the defensive, having to fend off the label of “antisemitic” when they’re trying to criticize the Israeli state for the…well…genocide that it’s perpetrating on the Palestinian people, it furthers the decimation of the Palestinian people.
And, again, to clarify, antisemitism IS A HUGE PROBLEM. And there are a lot of political-discussion illiterates debating this issue in 140 characters or on protest signs—all without much more thought than “I need to be on the right side of this issue”—which leaves no room for the nuance of making this clarification.
Do you see what I’m saying?
Not sure that I would call Mia Khalifa a representative of Palestinian sentiment considering she is Lebanese. Bella Hadid has expressed sympathy for Palestinians killed as well as Israelis. Either way, the Hadids were born in the US.
The children don’t right now are the result of the Israeli leaders and military killing them. It’s silly to say otherwise.
is this the part where I tell you that that report was made by a totally non-biased Israeli NGO who’s entire modus operandi seems to be trying to discredit the UN via smear campaigns
Even if you throw out this report because of who wrote it, rather than looking at the content, there has been plenty of coverage of hate speech in Palestinian educational curriculums for many years. Even the UNHRC included references to it in their 2019 and 2023 reports. The EU was threatening to pull funding because of it.
Don’t teach kids to hate.