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    • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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      9 months ago

      Tl;dr Israel showed up and kicked Palestinians out, Palestinians want their land back. Ensue 80 years of complications

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        9 months ago

        Also Israel has two means of aquiring citizenship. First is having Jewish ancestry. The second and more problematic is that anyone who converts to Judaism can apply in a slower process that grants them citizenship. People who aquire citizenship can then live there and gain govt benefits that subsidize living cost, in other words, govt sanctioned stealing of Palestinian homes/land. Thats why Palestinians say they often hear settlers with Brooklyn accents. People who live in places like NYC with high costs of living are basically given the option to have much cheaper housing if they convert and forget their morals about theft.

        So basically Israel recruits citizens from groups of people who have financial incentives to move there and lack a sense of humanity to turn down “free stuff stolen from destitute opressed people” and thus you build a citizenry who is totally comfortable with this Apartheid/Genocidal bullshit.

      • Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml
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        9 months ago

        It’s even simpler

        Israel showed up and kicked the Palestinians out, those either unable to or unwilling to leave are now being subject to ethnic cleansing.

        Or even simpler: Israel’s sole purpose is to exterminate Palestine.

        • WhatTrees@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          9 months ago

          Europe (Britain mostly) and the US pushed the newly formed UN to pass a resolution calling for the creation of Israel in 56% of the territory, but the zionist militias actually took almost 75% of the land while destroying entire villages and murdering the existing population. The West continued to support them after that and have been tacitly approving of them taking even more of the land as the decades have gone by. The West is not blameless, but it was very much Israel that did it.

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        9 months ago

        “European settlers” in the sense that they hadn’t been in Israel since the Romans kicked them out in '65 for causing too much trouble with all their messiahs and religious zealotry.

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          9 months ago

          2000 years!

          They hadn’t ever been in Israel, they were born and raised in Europe by parents that were born and raised in Europe by grandparents that were born and raise in Europe etc. etc. They were Europeans, complete with white skin and European culture and European language.

          This wasn’t refugees returning to their home. It was settlers invading nonwhite people’s land and stealing it for themselves.

          • redcalcium@lemmy.institute
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            9 months ago

            Yeah, if we stretch this logic even further down, we all get to claim our ancestral land in Africa from 200 millennia ago.

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            9 months ago

            A third of Israelis are (family of) refugees/emigrants from the middle-east or north Africa.

            It’s not a ‘white european’ country, which you’d know just looking at them.

            Imposing simplistic American notions of race on a complicated conflict is stupid and embarrassing.

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              9 months ago

              Yeah, now. That’s because they imported Jews from everywhere they could to become Israeli. It started as a European settler project.

              But if you look at the positions of power, the government and businesses and celebrities, you’ll see mostly white faces. Israel definitely has a white supremacist bent to it - you don’t think an Ethiopian Jew will ever be the prime minister do you?

              America’s white majority is going to disappear too, but you don’t think that will actually end American white supremacy right?

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                  If they were given their own settler colony and started being treated as an equal by all the other white countries? Yes.

                  I wouldn’t consider a European Jew before the formation of Israel to be white, but they’re sure as fuck white now.

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                    9 months ago

                    If someone of white European heritage burns down a synagogue frequented by what you consider people of white European heritage, would you still consider that racist given they’re the same race? Or would you consider that less racist than someone burning down a church frequented by black people?