• Saik0@lemmy.saik0.com
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    10 months ago

    Your own source…

    https://www.neareastconsulting.com/plc2006/official/c002.html

    Seems pretty high to me…

    As far as more recent sources… If they’re that disapproved of… and there’s no mechanism to remove them because they stopped holding elections for 17 years. Why not remove them from government? How come Fatah-based Palestinian government couldn’t control rather than Hamas? Further the first link shows both west bank and Gaza… West bank is historically “Fatah”. So it doesn’t make sense to lump them together if you’re talking about Gaza Palastinians feelings about Hamas.

    Your video also makes a good point against your statement… If Hamas is so unpopular… Why are they still in power on the strip after 17 years?

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      10 months ago

      Hamas kicked fatah out of the strip? But being barely winning an election doesn’t mean all gazans are part of them or approve of what they’re doing.

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        10 months ago

        doesn’t mean all gazans are part of them or approve of what they’re doing.

        I’m trying to find where I said that everyone approves… and I’m not seeing it. So I’m not sure what this point is supposed to mean. Sufficient people care about Hamas… Otherwise they would not be in power. They did originate their power from the Palestinian government. This is just simple fact. If EVERYONE hates Hamas as much as you claim they do… Why are they still there? How come that power is so fractured and different than the rest of Palestine(eg West Bank)?

        If they’re so disliked… This would not be how it is. My point is that clearly they’re not as disliked as you claim. Otherwise we wouldn’t be here.

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          10 months ago

          You seemed to be claiming from your first comment that Palestinian people deserved what was happening to them. I’m saying that some at least (probably most) don’t support Hamas, so it’s wrong to say they deserve what’s going on.

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      10 months ago

      From the first article:

      The argument that the entire population of Gaza can be held responsible for Hamas’s actions is quickly discredited when one looks at the facts. Arab Barometer, a research network where we serve as co-principal investigators, conducted a survey in Gaza and the West Bank days before the Israel-Hamas war broke out. The findings, published here for the first time, reveal that rather than supporting Hamas, the vast majority of Gazans have been frustrated with the armed group’s ineffective governance as they endure extreme economic hardship. Most Gazans do not align themselves with Hamas’s ideology, either. Unlike Hamas, whose goal is to destroy the Israeli state, the majority of survey respondents favored a two-state solution with an independent Palestine and Israel existing side by side.

      Popularity of Hamas in gaza

      https://archive.is/20231107213604/https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-palestinians-really-think-hamas

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        10 months ago

        Right… So 17 years later… they’re so dissatisfied… and nothing changed? That’s not how governments stay in power… Something is wrong with the supposition as the results don’t make sense.

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          10 months ago

          That’s how authoritarian governments stay in power, that or they start a war for the rally around the flag effect to give them a common enemy.