“So another reason for them to come and enjoy work: drop the little tykes off next door. We’ve got doctors on board and nurses, we’re going to feed them, but mum and dad will be working in our office.”
The fact that you needed to explicitly SAY that is a little disturbing. What was your original plan? To store the kids in a fridge?
And then some minion had to tell you, “sir, children need food water and air to stay alive.”
Maybe the guy said it a bit awkward, but are we really complaining that his company is offering a variety of amenities to make it easier for people to work in the office?
A lot of these sound similar to what my company offers except we have no childcare but do have free EV charging. Those are all good things …… maybe it’s just how they were presented, plus we’re only being asked to be in the office 2 days/week
Don’t worry guys, the company men are good. They even set up a general store right next door that we can buy anything we need using this stuff they’re calling scrip.
“Free”
Just load 16 tons
I was just listening to that song! (You better not be my kid who pointed it out to me).
Check out Geoff Castellucci on Spotify and presumably other services! He’s got the deepest voice I’ve ever heard, and his version of that is something to listen to — but listen on an actual speaker if you can. Not just a phone
Have no fear, my parents are dead!
Wait a minute, are you that zombie that keeps hanging out in my driveway
I think many people would like employers to stop wasting money (on stuff like amenities and activities that were not requested). Instead, make the job more attractive by listening and responding to actual concerns (like WFH, hours, wages).
Maybe. Maybe I’m a bit spoiled in the software field, but I feel like they’ve done pretty well:
- 2 days/week in office
- flexible with appts and outside commitments
- pay reasonably
- free coffee and tea
- free breakfast and lunch
- gym downstairs (extra cost)
- free EV charging
Aside from just plain not wanting to go in, that pretty well covers any specifics I might complain about
How about just wanting to go outside for a few minutes and see real sunlight?
We do have a pretty good deck and they let groups sign up for the grills, or it’s a nice walk around the complex
I really do not think you understand the mental toll just being at work can take on someone and how getting away from work entirely for even a few minutes can get you destressed enough to return.
Fwiw I think that the people you’re discussing this with haven’t had the same experience in the workforce that you have had.
I think he got a bad read and people aren’t aware of context.
It was a finance meeting. think about how you’d justify why you’re spending money on creches doctors and nurses when you’re a mining company. It doesnt make sense right surely you’d want explosives and dump truck drivers . So you go to explain it.
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OK so what were trying to do is make work attractive to be here in our offices because we believe that people on-site are more productive
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we have parents who want to work with us but they have commitments outside of work so we realised that we could maybe take away some of the need to service those commitments
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parents have kids and need childcare, so we solved that problem for them by providing a creche
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our staff need to go see doctors or nurses, so we solved that problem for them by providing a clinic
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our staff like to socialise over food and coffee, so we set up restaurants and cafes in the building
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all these things cost money but you know what, it balances out because they’re on-site and being productive as a group
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why do we need them on-site - because we believe people to be more productive when they work together. We’ve said we want you in all day every day, we’re trying to make it possible for this to happen.
I know it’s about as human as a thrown axe but people are resources. Companies exist because of their people. I actually respect that he’s open about this and I can tell you, this approach would appeal to a lot of young families in Perth. It’s hard to get childcare and hard to see doctors.
I think he meant exactly what he said. The arrogance and entitlement of millionaires is VERY well documented.
“Hold them captive.” Those are HIS words. There is no other way to interpret that.
Sure mate. Have a good one.
Words mean things. Stop simping for millionaires. It’s embarrassing to watch.
“Words mean things” - inspired. I think I’ll have a t-shirt made.
Have an awesome day, you’re a top bloke with a lot going for you.
One of those temporarily embarrassed millionaires simping for billionaires
Man the projection is wild here. Have a good one mate. You’re welcome to visit Australia any time, you’ll fit right in.
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“I want to hold them captive all day long,” Ellison said during a financial presentation on Thursday. “I don’t want them leaving the building … I don’t want them walking down the road for a cup of coffee. We kind of figured out a few years ago how much that cost.”
One, fuck you with a burning stick.
Two, people who are off the clock can go wherever the fuck they want.
Three, you’d better be in that fucking office yourself at least forty hours a week.
Four, put the stick out with a jar of honey and then fuck your own peehole with it.
Honey is too kind. I was thinking more along the lines of putting the fire out using a jar of Carolina Reapers, and then he can go to town on his urethra with that
Ugh my director at work has been enforcing a strict RTO mandate while working fully remote from fucking Florida
If he’s not there, don’t work? I’m on the more industrial side of things, but if my boss is maliciously not here, that’s just me being paid to dick about on my phone. Or steamdeck if I’m feeling frisky.
Director is like my manager’s manager’s manager’s manager. She doesn’t contribute anything other than finding ways to reduce productivity
Unionize
Oh we are >:)
What’s the exact law when it comes to advocating murder?
As long as you kill them very slowly by draining their life energy over a contracted period of about 40 years its entirely legal, you may even get a tax cut for creating opportunities.
I’m pretty sure sharing step-by-step plans to make a guillotine don’t count.
Remember, jury nullification is a thing. If someone murders a billionaire and you’re on the jury, you can just say Not Guilty and there’s nothing they can do to you.
Absolutely a mask off “let them eat cake” level quote.
I don’t even know who this guy is, but I want to kick his ass.
She didn’t actually say that, historically, but yes.
let them eat cake that they buy from the company restaurant
Have a friend who got his PhD in Australia, in neuroscience. He’s got enormous personal debt, his department is chonically underfunded, he has two grad students to his name, and he’s got to spend every semester writing these long winded grant proposals to maintain any kind of budget.
Then six months ago, a recruiter from Fudan University reaches out to him. Flies him out to Shanghai, wines him and dines him, shows him around the campus, offers him a $1.5M housing allowance plus $500k salary with another $6M in budget and three other PhDs on his team.
He’s moving there in March.
Yeah, even if I was offered that I wouldn’t touch that shit with a 10 foot pole especially if we’re talking about being held captive.
That’s the “alternative” to captivity. And it’s going to lead to businesses that treat talent like this losing their talent to China. Speaking as someone who has also been contacted by numerous (sketchier than the above referenced) Chinese interests.
People being held captive is in relation to the Perth-based mining company that the article talks about. The person you’re replying to is talking about a Shanghai-based university. There’s no captivity involved there, afaik.
This is all about building your personal life around work, this guy knows that current WFH initiatives are giving people better flexibility for work to fit around their personal lives.
The things he’s offering to basically hold his employees captive for the day, are quite decent. I just don’t see them being attractive to people long term.
I’m quite lucky to work for a company that measures performance based on results, rather than hours spent in the office.
However, work does offer a heap of incentives to head into the office (similar to this, we have an on-site cafe, restaurants, convenience store, gym, daycare facilities and school holiday activities); as sometimes heading in to collaborate with a team in person is a lot more convenient overall.
What this man is trying to offer is similar, except that by forcing attendance he will never be able to match that culture.
I say we give him a taste of his own advice.
this is the guy in a souls game that shouts out to ask you a favor but when you return after completing it he’s dead and there is a bundle of souls and a piece of armour or weapon waiting
To be honest this isn’t a massive departure from the various other non remuneration incentives offered by companies wanting you to be there in person. Silicon Valley has offered this forever. Gyms, cafes, holiday programs for kids etc.
People have different motivators. I don’t mind being in the office frequently. I work my hours then clock off. I find it easier to switch off from work when I leave work.
Some people will value it. If you’re not one of those people, don’t worry, you don’t have to work there. It’s pretty simple.
I want to hold them captive all day long.
…another reason for them to come and enjoy work: drop the little tykes off next door. We’ve got doctors on board and nurses, we’re going to feed them, but mum and dad will be working in our office.
Damn, the amount of people here that love how the owner class manipulates and sucks them dry is shocking.
Banning wfh should be illegal, period. Of course everyone is different and has different needs but keeping people in the building has multiple benefits for his bottom line, not the employees:
- no room to talk to other companies’ employees and compare
- no room to think about company policy without being influenced
- potential to be overheard talking potential union business
While it is great for highly sought after software engineers to be pampered like this, the majority of people arent this and the reason companies do this only for the highly paid is because they are actually valued and might be able to hurt the company if they are unhappy. Opposed to the many people who are less qualified.
This comment section is a harsh example of privileged people being completely out of touch with the reality of their fellow humans.
I‘d be ashamed.
Because he’s gonna open little free cafes in all his offices right?.. right guys??..
I so love the idea of giving billionaires a plaque when they hit one billion, then take away 95% of their wealth and having them start again. A forced prestige system.
I’d love to start over with 50 million, too
I’d love to stack away a whole million in my life, that way, 50 generations down, one of my great grand children can try the game too!
At least he doesn’t chain the employees to their desks
Yet
The guy is an out of touch jerk. Sometimes the hilight of your day ia that mental break grabbing a coffee at a cafe and enjoying fresh air. And i get way more work done with WFH, because people need an actual reason to interrupt your work flow
He doesn’t want people to have daily highlights. He wants them completely broken and demoralized so they’ll accept whatever shit stick this guy hands them.
So first they force people back into the office because CBD businesses are suffering.
Then they want to ban people from going for a coffee?
Make up your fucking minds!
