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      Yeah fair, plenty of the hate is real. But I’m willing to bet a lot of the hate is just so their rich friends will like them.

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        That, but also when you’re that fucking wealthy no one is going to tell you you’re wrong because the only people around you are there for financial reasons.

        I honestly think if be just had one decent friend, an actual friend, he be a (possibly) different person.

        Def not apologizing or excusing this fuck wad but in my experience, it only takes another view point from the heart to change ideals.

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      im pretty sure musk was a cunt before this also, it just wasnt public, would check out from his fathers (probably) slave labor mines.

      Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s had a public image obsession for some time now.

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            Yeah, I felt really bad for her, but she has come out on top. She’s clearly a strong, independent woman and a smart one too considering she’s studying multiple languages in college. Massive respect to her for standing up to her dad. She could have kept her mouth shut a long time ago and just hoped he gave her some inheritance money, but she has consistently refused to put up with his bullshit on a more private level- we know that she intentionally had it entered into the court record that she disowned him when she legally changed her name even though it wasn’t relevant to the situation (she just wanted an official legal record)- and now that he’s been just blatantly lying about her, she’s making it public.

            I really admire her bravery in this whole situation. I’m guessing her mother (who she spent about 90% of her being parented time with) was not the colossal piece of shit her father is.

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      So you’re saying Elon wanted his child to transition away from her natural gender presentation. Ironic.

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      Maybe if he wasn’t yelling at her all the time, she would have been comfortable with the gender he wanted her to be in the first place.

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          I presume there’s potentially a lot of different drivers of gender identity. I wouldn’t be surprised if early childhood abusive pressure to be a “certain brand of man, right now” could be a driver to a feminine gender identity in someone that otherwise might have had a masculine gender identity. Of the trans people who have told me their personal background, many had a somewhat traumatic relationship with a parent in childhood, with a common theme of a parent to be abusive to drive them to be more like a fully grown person while still in elementary school.

          It’s not a given and it’s not the only way it works, but I think it is in the realm of possibility that Elon’s bad parenting created the very outcome he sought to suppress.

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            There are physiological differences in the brain structure. Now obviously that needs more research, and it doesn’t speak to nature vs nurture- I mean neuroplasticity is a crazy and wonderful thing, but I hesitate to agree that a traumatic parental relationship causes gender dysphoria.

            To me, it smacks of times gone by that homosexuality was included in the DSM- a disorder to be “cured”. Gender dysphoria is a widely recognized disorder, with a known cure- gender affirming care. And one doesn’t need to experience dysphoria to be trans.

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              I suspect it’s a complex situation with multiple paths to get there. As it states in that paper “Further research is required”. Based on the paper, I’m not even sure they really had a comprehensive sampling, since it’s a meta-analysis and the source material is generally pretty limited. For example: “It is however noted that the small sample size (n=17) provides only weak evidence to support the finding and as such the results should be taken with caution.”

              Just like there are multiple paths to having different vision (genetics, developmental anomalies, illness, environmental, trauma), I suspect there’s enough nuance in gender identity for there to be multiple paths there as well.

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            Are you cis? If so, at what point did you develop an identity aligning to your assigned gender at birth? Some trans folks know from very young, others just feel that something is wrong.