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    Ask Elon Musk if he’s okay with adults getting gender-affirming care.

    In fact, ask anyone other than your own inner straw man whether they oppose gender affirming care for adults.

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      We don’t need to ask him, his daughter is an adult and he treats her like shit and still dead names her. There’s no strawman here.

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        Assuming Elon is the guy on the right, I don’t see obvious differences to the left picture (except of course his hairline).

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          That’s Peter Thiel, the gay billionaire who wants to turn America into a network of technofeudalist monarchies each lead by a CEO-king.

          He’s single-handedly responsible for J.D. Vance’s political rise, and is Trump’s largest donor.

          Hard to believe that PayPal would end up creating the men who would end up actually having a real chance at destroying America.

          Also, very funny to me that Musk has been trying to force x-dot-com to happen for so long. He bought that expensive domain in the 90’s and so far the only times it’s ever been used was first as the original PayPal domain, which despite being very simple has considered terrible branding for a financial company and the other founders forced a domain change. The second time was Musk buying Twitter and ruining it.

          Between those two uses, Musk has been spending millions a year in registration fees for that cursed domain, and running his mouth non-stop about an “everything app” with no other description than that it would have features similar to PayPal (Musk only understands money and nothing else), and it would be hosted on the X domain.

          When Musk bought Twitter, he promised that it would transform into this fabled “everything app”, but so far the only thing he added to the platform is Nazis.

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      Yea, this one’s a stretch. My jawline continued to change in my 30s, and just 10lbs weight difference made a big shift in my face.

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      What are you saying, that plastic surgery is gender affirming care, because it is in most cases. Exemptions would be things like a rhinoplasty for breathing impairments, but if done for looks it would fall under gender affirming care.

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          Probably right around the line between self- confidence and self-worth. They’re very similar, but having low self-confidence affects you in different ways than having low self-worth.

          It’s helpful to think about opposites when considering differences, at least for me. The contrast in the concepts of the opposite of vanity and the opposite of self-affirmation make clear that there’s at least some kind of distinction and difference in purpose, even if it’s not totally clear.

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          What’s the line between society and the individual? That’s the core question here

          If you can answer that I can probably give you a hint, but it’s a concept that can’t be taught, only learned. And it’s an important one, worth thinking over… It’s subjective, but key to understanding your own existence

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          Vanity is making sure others like what they see of you; self-affirmation is making sure you like what you see of you.

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          Gender is defined by a cultural perception, so all attractiveness would be encompassed within the cultural perception. So a lady who gets her breasts augmented wouldn’t essentially matter whether it is to self affirm or vanity or to attract others, it would all just fall into what culture taught that person was appealing.

          I’m sure there are many that would pick my wording apart or disagree, but maybe that answers some of your question? Self affirmation and vanity I would say are not mutually exclusive though, there is overlap.

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        Plastic surgery started as reconstructive surgery after accidents/invasive surgeries like mastectomies. Breast reconstruction and augmentation would both really fall under gender affirming care, although the former would be for losing something about themselves that was part of their gender and the latter for trying to fit social expectations.

        Cranial reconstruction and other gender neutral plastic surgeries exist too.

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          Social expectations is gender though. What is a gender neutral plastic surgery? If you are doing a smaller nose for a woman or a larger nose for a man it isnt neutral.

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            Reconstructive surgery is a subset of plastic surgery separate from cosmetic surgery.

            This definition is contrasted with cosmetic surgery performed to improve aesthetics or the appearance of a body part.

            Reconstructive surgery includes fixing a cleft lip. Repairing a half destroyed face after an accident. Removing extensive scarring that is causing pain because it isn’t as flexible as non-scarred skin. There are TONS of gender neutral reconstructive surgeries.

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              Reconstructive surgery is performed to construct a person’s look to fit what is socially wanted, which coincidentally is a part of gender. If it is not needed to breath, it is about attractiveness, which is a social construct separated in categories of gender. Which is why gender “norms” are often considered toxic and don’t need to exist. If it is relieving pain or assisting with ones ability to breath/ eat, I would say it isn’t gender affirming.

              You say there are tons of gender neutral constructive surgeries/alterations,what would they be? One might be considered to be Botox, because it is used by both genders, but where/why it is used is different based on cultural perception of gender, aka gender affirming.

              Long story short, gender is a social construct, if you are doing something to fit in with a society, it will likely fall there.

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                You say there are tons of gender neutral constructive surgeries/alterations,what would they be?

                Maybe try reading the words I wrote or the links I provided.

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                  I did. Your link is just one, and starts with “Reconstructive surgery is surgery performed to restore normal appearance” meaning it is a cultural perception of normal. As for medical necessity that was in my first comment where I discussed breathing in an example of a rhinoplasty (the only example mentioned by either of us). So you supported what I was saying but are acting like you are refuting it. It’s fine that we will disagree.

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    Only difference between this incel and grandma’s basement incel is that this incel herp-de-derped into a lucky break thanksto mommy and daddy’s money. Once an incel alwaysan incel.

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    The guy on the right definitely looks like he has enough testosterone. Sure it’s not the effects of testosterone that 16 year olds and pre transition trans men dream of excitedly, but speaking as a trans woman, that’s the effects I dreaded. He looks like if Jason Alexander wasn’t handsome. Nobody can deny that Jason Alexander looks masculine as fuck.

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    He also has this thing about having lots of children to ensure the future of the human race. Dude, you know how you hated the way you looked? The surgeries aren’t in your DNA. You’re not part of a master race. (except he probably still thinks so because he’s white cause he’s a nazi shithead)

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      Yeah at least I acknowledge I looked great before the gender affirming care. I was hot pre transition, I’m hot post transition. Elon is over here thinking his kids will inherit his jawline and hairline. I’d insult his kids’ potential intelligence but his ex daughter seems to have gotten her mom’s brains

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      I think it’s an illusion. The hairline, as well as a beard, changes how one “reads” a face. His squar-ish haircut also draws attention to similar features in the jaw.

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    I am a Rocket League addict. I hate that my once indie game is owned by a major public company that exploits us. Anyway, they just added the cybertruck to the game, and I frequently find myself playing against an all cybertruck team with nothing but cybertruck teammates to help me. And every time I see it, I can’t help but feel like it’s the anti-rainbow flag. Gay Pride month is over, now it’s Trans Hate month; gotta cover all the bases.

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      Rocket league added a rainbow flag but then “accidently” removed it to where you needed to submit a support ticket to get it back. Lot of homophobic folks will react if you have it on your car. We must stunt on those fools.

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        Whaaaaaaat?? I had not heard about this.

        Hmm, from the google results of reddit pages I see that it was wiped from some player inventories but it’s still out there and tradable. Yes, very suspicious it’s known but was never resolved.

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      Do all the cybertrucks suddenly stop working for no reason? Otherwise it’s not an authentic experience

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      I’m so ready for the next event to happen so people switch to other cars

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    Poor Elon doesn’t just understand what it’s like to not be comfortable with your body without extensive medical treatments.

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    Question: Can supplemental testosterone cause anger management issues and/or accelerated cognitive decline?

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      Anger management, yeah. Hence the “roid rage” stereotype.

      Cognitive decline, I don’t think there’s any evidence.

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        I have a theory that the anger issues could lead to cognitive decline. Anger and rage has a tendency to kick off the fight or flight response. With that comes survival mode, lizard brain thinking, and irrational decision making. There’s a lot of viral videos of people in this situation where the anger is causing them to make bad decisions. The experience might even be traumatic for them, kicking off their mental defense mechanisms.

        Afterward, they post-hoc try to justify what happened in those moments to hold onto the idea that they are still a good person. Occasionally they realize they have a problem that needs to be fixed, but many times they will dig into their irrational positions with new emotional attachments to it. It can take a lot of therapy to get past it, which still has a lot of stigma with testosterone-types, so they don’t and the irrational “logic” builds up over time. Therefore, cognitive decline.

        Are there more substantiated studies on the effects of anger, especially there we see this pattern? I think I am seeing it over and over, but I can’t be sure of the prevalence of the behavior since there is a bias in the media I see.

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          I think the easier explanation is that the cognitive decline is because of all the ketamine, like ThePowerOfGeek suggested

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        Yeah, the cognitive decline could be due to excessive drug use (ketamene). Plus the side effects of hormone imbalances on a person with malignant narcissism.

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      According to Dr. Mike: steroids/testosterone, depending on what type and how much, can cause: anxiety, intrusive violent thoughts, a “marked, proximate reduction in IQ,” and “an inability to perceive a broad spectrum of positive human emotion.”

      He (Dr. Mike) openly uses “gear” and has a PhD in sports physiology, so I consider his opinion valid. You can hear more about his thoughts on the subject here:

      https://youtu.be/UrzF-rhJtOs?si=mtsodOqVO2aILvC-

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      Lol, you got me. That would explain a lot. Cook it up with some ketamine and suddenly a lot of his behavior makes a lot more sense.

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    I get what everyone is saying, but if we’re being totally honest their issue is with gender affirming care is when it’s used for the opposite gender they want to force you to maintain.

    Male affirm male ok. Female affirm female ok. Male affirm female… AHHHHHHH!!! BE AFRAID!!!

    Either way we’re all correct in calling them assholes that should stay the fuck out of our pursuit of happiness.

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      Ah, but you see, a man who wants to live as a woman is delusional. A weak, low-T beta male who wants to live as an alpha is

      …no, I still can’t figure out how they square that with themselves

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        Eh, “cut my penis off because I want to be a woman” is a pretty far leap from “I wish i wasn’t bald”. That’s how they square it.

        I’m not judging one way or other.

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          So it’s just a question of degree?

          That means they’ll have no problem with men growing their hair out, for example, or wearing makeup?

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      when it’s used for the opposite gender

      I’ve never seen Elon present his long form birth certificate for the State of Texas to review, before beginning these treatments

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      I literally heard an interview with a trans person who talked about how everyone who feels that they want to exert some effort to adjust their appearance to affirm the gender they feel is correct for them is trans. It doesn’t matter what the starting or ending point is, if you make decisions to enhance your gender expression in any way, then you’re engaging in trans behavior, and I think it’s a great point.

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        I mean that’s just completely incorrect though. The sentiment might be coming from a good place but it doesn’t work that way.

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        Yeah, no. We don’t need to make shit up. However, we could call it trans-gender affirming care and cis-gender affirming care. Using cis will trigger these idiots anyway, no need to call it trans.

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    Did he really get jawline surgery? I thought it was just because of him abusing steroids and testosterone. That’s why he has that weird barrel chest nowadays.

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      Yeah that’s probably just someone assuming he got jaw surgery since his jawliy changed.

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    You’ve applied the “good guy with a gun” fallacy to gender affirming care.

    I appreciate this.