Excess oxygen is actually harmful to humans, but all the climate warnings are about losing oxygen, not nitrogen edit: but when we look for habitable planets, our focus is ‘oxygen rich atmosphere’, not ‘nitrogen rich’, and in medical settings, we’re always concerned about low oxygen, not nitrogen.
Deep sea divers also use a nitrogen mix (nitrox) to stay alive and help prevent the bends, so nitrogen seems pretty important.
It seems weird that our main focus is oxygen when our main air intake is nitrogen. What am I missing?
edit: my climate example was poor and I think misleading. Added a better example instead.
N2 is (mostly) inert when it comes to respiration. What your body needs is oxygen and low concentrations of anything that might also be metabolically active. For scuba diving, N2 is used to dilute the oxygen and is used specifically because of how non-reactive it is. At high concentrations though, it can result in nitrogen narcosis - helium is sometimes used as the diluent gas instead to mitigate this.
As far as habitability is concerned, atmospheric nitrogen is essential for life on Earth at least, as it’s a major part of the nitrogen cycle (specifically, nitrogen fixation). Without it, we wouldn’t have nitrogen-containing organic compounds like amino acids (and, therefore, proteins), at least not nearly in the same quantities that we currently do. This doesn’t mean it’s essential for life outside earth, but it is for life as we know it, so its presence should increase our credence (if only a little) for whether a given planet is habitable or not. However, when looking for signs of life, it’s better to look for atmospheric signatures that are heavily influenced by life, rather than just those that facilitate it. The oxygen in Earth’s atmosphere was largely produced by life, and so its presence in the atmospheres of other planets would be a good (though not definitive) indication of habitability.
It’s about CO2 concentration, not about oxygen production.
That makes sense, thanks, since our threshold for co2 is less than 0.5%.
I may have worded my question poorly; I’m more asking why low oxygen is a problem vs low nitrogen. In retrospect, my climate focus may be distracting. It was what made me wonder about this in the first place, but the medical and scuba points are much more relevant. That has little to do with co2 (I think?) and more to do with the relative compounds in our air.
I’m still confused why we hear about oxygen but never nitrogen. Another example: when we look for habitable planets, the focus is ‘oxygen rich atmosphere’, but not ‘nitrogen rich’.
See my reply to someone below.
Maybe nitrogen could be replaced with other gases, but we need oxygen in our lungs and bloodstream to survive. So maybe it’s more important for our survival?
Here’s an interesting post about the different formulations and pressures required to have breathable oxygen mixtures.
Based on OP’s question, we don’t care about nitrogen, because it’s not strictly necessary for our survival.
That explains it very well, thank you!
So from what I understand, we need a rather precise amount of oxygen plus a large amount of an inert gas – pretty much any inert gas, barring a few that have narcotic effects. So nitrogen isn’t special, except that it’s inert and doesn’t get us high.
But I’m also curious whether the reactive gas in low quantities (oxygen) can also be replaced. I’m not a chemist, and this is fascinating. I’ll keep reading.
Thanks again!
I’m not a biologist, doctor, or chemist, but my guess is “no.” We have evolved to use oxygen to create energy within our cells, not some other gas.
I would hazard an additional guess that it’s not a simple matter to just swap out the oxygen molecules for something else. Carbon monoxide binds better and more readily to our cells, yet that mixture would asphyxiate you.
https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/lungs/breathing-benefits
The cells need this oxygen to make the energy your body needs to work. When cells make that energy, they create the waste product carbon dioxide.
We (humans) don’t need atmospheric nitrogen to survive, we just need the “other” in the atmosphere to not be toxic. My guess is any element in the same periodic table column as nitrogen that could somehow exist as a gas at STP would be fine (hypothetically).
Don’t they replace nitrogen with like helium for some SCUBA applications?
Other life on Earth obviously does metabolize nitrogen (I think we do a little bit too). So to preserve our biosphere we should not throw off the nitrogen balance. But as others have observed it’s not clear there’s any imbalance coming.
When scuba diving recreationaly, Nitrox tanks actually have higher concentrations of oxygen, leaving less “space” for nitrogen and other gases.
Normal air tanks are filled at 21% oxygen. A nitrox tank will have more than 21%. The ones I use have 32% oxygen, wich helps when being at depths between ~20m and ~40m
I know that technical divers do use other gas concentrations, and they even change the nitrogen in the tanks for other inert gasses. But I’ve no idea of which gasses they use.
The most famous is Heliox, 98% helium and 2% oxygen iirc.
Atmospheric nitrogen is useless to most life, as it’s extremely hard to break down into other nitrogen compounds. Certain bacteria are the exception, and they’re very important both to ecology and human agriculture (although less so since the Haber process was invented and artificial fertilisers became available). The other natural source of nitrogen compounds is lightning strikes.
Oxygen is completely the opposite. It’s unstable in an Earth-like environment (which is why fires happen), and if you find it in such an environment there must be something special producing it continuously. It’s not the only biomarker astronomers look for, either. There was a planet with insane amounts of a chemical called DMS found recently, and that’s just as eye-catching, if weirder.
Deep sea divers also use a nitrogen mix (nitrox) to stay alive and help prevent the bends
You’ve actually got that somewhat backwards. To go really deep you switch to heliox or similar. Nitrox is for intermediate depths where you need less oxygen than in the normal nitrogen-oxygen atmosphere, but nitrogen narcosis isn’t an issue yet.
Is there some threat to the worlds supply of atmospheric nitrogen?
My climate example was poor, I’m sorry. A better example of what I mean is that when we look for habitable planets, our focus is ‘oxygen rich atmosphere’, not ‘nitrogen rich’, though most of our breathable air is nitrogen and too much oxygen will actually kill us.
I suppose because we don’t really use the nitrogen - it’s inert, unlike oxygen which is part of vital respiration. I’m no expert but it’s conceivable some other mix of gases could work as the inert portion besides nitrogen, but oxygen is required. Seems like it would take a lot of luck to find the right concentration though.
Calling it “inert” is misleading. It’s involved in all kinds of chemical reactions that are essential for life (and lots of non-biological reactions, too). It’s only inert in the sense that most living things can’t use it directly from the air and rely on nitrogen-fixing plants and bacteria to make it into molecules we can use.
