The case will test how far the court’s conservative majority is willing to go in interpreting the scope of its 2022 ruling that expanded gun rights outside the home.
The Supreme Court on Tuesday indicated it would uphold a federal law that prohibits people under domestic violence restraining orders from owning firearms, potentially limiting the scope of its own major gun rights ruling from last year.
The case gives the court’s 6-3 conservative majority a chance to consider the broad ramifications of the 2022 decision, which for the first time found that there is a right to bear arms outside the home under the Constitution’s Second Amendment.
Sneaky way to disarm the cops
Just remember qualified immunity exists.
“Your honor I feared for my life, you should have seen the dinner she made, it was subpar at best.”
In the dim lighting, the potroast, burnt, appeared to be an “urban”, African American Male, young twenties, medium build and height. The gravy boat, a Glock 19 held sideways in a “gangster” style. All on my kitchen table. In my own home. I acted decisively, as any trained officer of the law would. I attempted to eliminate the potroast. There were unfortunate civilian casualties; but, in my judgment, swift action was necessary to uphold the law.
She came right on me.
this is hot
who would have absolute latitude in choosing whether to enforce these laws?
I disapprove of headlines that attempt to telegraph how justices will rule based on oral arguments alone. You’re gonna have to wait 6-12 months for an actual ruling and it will likely be extremely narrowly tailored to a given situation.
The statistics say this should have been done decades ago and permanently. The number of women who have been killed by their abusive domestic partner AFTER escalation is too damn high.
Seems like restricting arms for someone who has a reasonable suspicion of domestic violence, enough to get a restraining order anyway, is consistent with a well regulated militia.
There is no standard of proof for restraining orders.
On one hand, there’s the risk that someone might get murdered by their spouse. On the other, the risk that someone is wrongfully deprived of their guns for a period of time.
Which risk should we minimize? This doesn’t seem like a tough decision to me.
Say what you mean out loud for those in the back:
“It’s better to preemptively take judicial action against people accused of $whatever.”
Or, more to the point:
“I’ve never been falsely accused of anything, and that’ll probably never happen to me. So fuck anyone else that happens to.”
wrongfully deprived of their guns for a period of time
If that were the only way such a ruling would play out, even that part isn’t so easy. A SWAT team could roll on me this very second, raid my house and burn it down. Think they got all my guns? BRB.
Speaking of calling the cops in… I thought we liberals had mostly agreed that calling the cops on someone could well be a death sentence? So now we good on forcibly disarming folks on an accusation?
Y’all’s hate for guns and abusers is blinding you to the far-reaching precedent we might be setting here. This is truly a tough one with no easy answers.
I would fight so that one doesn’t arbitrarily lose access to housing, food, or a drivers license, because wrongfully taking those away are life ruining. But what difference would it make to be temporarily deprived of guns? What the hell are you using it for that you can’t be parted from your guns for even a short time as a life saving precaution?
Meanwhile, demanding a high standard of evidence for threat of spousal abuse means people die. That’s an insane trade off.
It’s not just about the guns. Once they can ignore your 14A-guaranteed rights for one thing (which is 2A-protected, so about as sacrosanct as possible), they can ignore it for everything. Do you really want to be put in prison without a trial as soon as some cop arrests you for something the cop made up?
Do you really want to be put in prison without a trial as soon as some cop arrests you for something the cop made up?
Like that doesn’t already happen?
Do you want to make it easier?
I don’t see how this makes it any easier. Furthermore, the previous person’s entire argument was that this would set the precedent that allows this to start happening. It already happens and is very typical for anyone charged with a crime.
Does any pro-gun argument not lean heavily on slippery slopes? Why is it only possible to oppose the law when it impacts guns but not if cops start “putting you in prison without a trial for something they just made up”
And of course, we do imprison people who are awaiting trial when it’s determined the risk to public safety is too high.
Your second amendment right doesnt protect you from law enforcement.
But there is a judge, just like with warrants.
There is also a judge every time a judge takes a shit in the bathroom. That doesn’t mean the pooping satisfies due process.
Beat your wife-el lose your rifle.
So when I’m firing my wife-el do I load from the barrel or is there a loader on the firing side?
