You guys lost any relationship with reality, you got groomed by malicious guys.
Imagine being a student and there are 2 teachers you could vote for to be your class teacher. Both hit you, humiliate you and spit in your face every day, but one of them is also a pedophile. “OMG BotH SidES”.
you don’t have the ability anymore to imagine what a teacher should be like: kind, caring, helpful.
But hey, it’s your country, just make the lesser evil your hero…
They are both corrupted criminals that shouldn’t be in charge of anything, you are not supposed to support neither
Remember kids, if you want to aid a genocide just make sure your enemy is an even bigger piece of shit than you are. No consequences! Morality? Never heard of her.
If both options have the same stance on an issue, then you can not change the issue by voting.
Meaning, it is a non-voting issue and can not be used as an argument for voting.
Absolutely. Does that mean you shouldn’t criticise and push for a change of policy? The president of the United States is aiding a genocide. That should make every single American ashamed.
But yeah bOtH sIdEs!!1!!
An enemy that will aid a genocide with even more enthusiasm and possibly help Russia start another one.
Yeah so ship those arms to the genocidal state! Feel your heart swell with pride as they count the dead children blown to pieces with bombs made in the US of A. Thank God it wasn’t Trump that sent them. That would be really awful
Thank God it wasn’t Trump that sent them
That’s true. Cause in addition to shipping arms, Trump and his cronies would also be trying to make life hell for women, LGBT community, and other minorities, and who the fuck knows what else.
Actually we do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
You can’t see the forest for trees.
Stop hyperventilating. Touch grass.
Biden shouldn’t have sent them at all.
I can see just fine. I see the support Biden gives to mass murder and am not blinded to this by the fact that Trump would give more. I’m slightly confused why this seems so difficult for some people to see? Supporting genocide is bad - is this a controversial take now?
Stop hyperventilating. Touch grass.
Pathetic. It might help you to imagine that I’m all worked up about this but I am not. I just think supporting genocide is a bad thing. Weird how so many people seem to drop their morals when there’s an election on the horizon. And by “weird” I mean “despicable.”
If you don’t vote Biden it’s not that you’re supporting that genocide, it’s that you’re supporting MORE genocide.
If you don’t vote Biden it’s not that you’re supporting that genocide, it’s that you’re supporting MORE genocide.
How so? Show your work.
FPTP
Non support for one is equal to supporting the other
This is mathematically proven and the only reason I’m not calling you out for JAQing this question off and sea lioning is because of the genuine chance you’re young enough to genuinely not know better.
Biden is the only candidate that has the potential to win other than Trump.
Trump supports Israel (first president to say that its capital is Jerusalem, says Israel needs to “finish the problem” with Gaza…) and he wants to stop support for Ukraine (enabling another genocide) and that’s not even getting into LGBTQ+ and POC rights erosions if he gets in power which is akin to wanting to make them disappear, i.e. another genocide.
Good thing I’m not voting for him, either.
Yes you are if you don’t vote against him
But why let something like math stop you from sacrificing lives here in America for your own white moral validness?
The annual pretending Democrats don’t uphold systemic issues because Trump is clearly worse. 🙄
Both sides are genocide enablers and should be trialed at The Hague, yes.
I don’t see the thousands of regressive bills that have Biden’s fingerprints all over them since 70s.
Brandon 2024, warts and all. Fuck the republican traitor filth.
this is a bad faith reading of a basic ass fucking tenant of socialist theory. democrats, party of the educated, are feigning ignorance to try and silence dissent.
I like how this crappy meme weights “Israel” the same as “He’s Old” as if genocide is comparable to the inability of Biden to hold a coherent conversation.
Hahaha you are literally doing what the post is calling people out for.
You can criticize Biden. But the point of your post wasn’t to do that, was it? It was to cause dissent, not create solutions.
So stop it. Get some help. He’s a better choice than Trump, and that’s the only thing that actually fucking matters.
I didn’t even complain about both sides, I just said why is the weight so ridiculously unbalanced in the picture.
Trump has the same two blocks as if age is equal in weight to genocide.
Oh yes, those are Biden’s only problems. Certainly. Also that Israel stone fits on the screen so it ain’t big enough
It’s insane that anyone is doing the work of defending either. We deserve significantly better.
“the democrats don’t have a cult” lie is falling apart.
“I don’t mind if we’re funding a genocide, but god forbid I face an inconvenience at home.”
The fear of scraping at the bottom of the barrel to keep that american exceptionalism on top rather than revolting against the system is somehow the better option.
“It’s not like a cycle of doom or anything as long as I don’t get inconvenienced.”
Here’s a fun game: ask a Democrat for one thing that Biden could do that would cause them to not vote for him.
What’s their deal-breaker? Where’s the line?
We do. Unfortunately all we can vote for this year is whether we’ll have a 2028 election or if we’ll be a theocratic monarchy by then.
Yeah, I live in a state where the GOP will win regardless. So I will absolutely not waste my vote on either of these candidates.
Then maybe our system is fundamentally broken and we need to change it? If we are always one election away from the destruction of democracy and society there is something fucked up. I have heard the same rhetoric about every election in the last 30 years.
Imagine defending a mafioso or a murderer
This is the thing I can’t believe 100% of the left isn’t screaming from the rooftops. Yes, we’ll all vote for Biden, but we’re going to have to live with the fact that we knowingly voted for a genocide supporter for the rest of our lives. Sure, we voted for the lesser genocide supporter, but that really shouldn’t matter to our own sense of disgust at ourselves.
Innocent people are dying, and my vote for the guy supplying the weapons that kill them will be the most shameful moment of my life. At least, I hope it will - I don’t have much faith at this point that I won’t be forced to do something even worse in 4 years. And 4 years after that. And 4 years after that…
100% of the Left in the US is probably only a couple % of the population. At that, I’d bet that not more than half of us even voted Democrat. Some I know voted Green in an effort to participate, but not participate in a two party election. Who fucking cares what we shout from the rooftops?
The fact of the matter is that voting green isn’t a real resolution to the issue, it’s just a way for someone to willingly not participate in the inevitable 2 party fight, while still saying they voted. The way the system works prevents any green party member from even being seen, much less meaningfully supported. And nobody voted in to one of the 2 major parties is going to change the system to make a 3rd party viable.
We no longer have a democracy - we’re meant to have the true freedom to vote for who we want and have that actually be a legitimate method for someone to win, but instead we’ve served up 2 shitty candidates and told to pick one. It’s no different than if a tyrannical monarch let us choose which of his 2 terrible children would become the next ruler after his death.
Now’s exactly the time to be shouting from the rooftops, because now’s exactly the time to start drumming up support for a resistance movement. We’re not there yet as a country, I know, but we’re heading there quick, and we should be getting people used to the idea that we have other options than voting for genocide supporter #1 or #2.
If you call yourself left but then don’t vote Democrat (mainly in the current times, in the past it wasn’t as dire to be fair) you’re either lying about being left or are too stupid to understand how our terrible political system works.
We really need to figure out how to get ranked choice voting implemented
I get what you’re saying, but this is the United States. We’ve been voting for genocide supporters for like our entire history…
That doesn’t make it right, but it’s not new by any means. The entire world deserves better than what we put forward time and time again :(
You’re absolutely right, but better late than never for people to finally start realizing it. This isn’t the time to be saying “It’s nothing new, move on,” it’s the time to be saying “It’s not even new! Get mad! Fight back!”
No, not better late than never. This is giving up. You’re talking better “too late” then “it doesn’t fucking matter any more.” Because we already fucking lost.
I agree that we lost through conventional voting means, but our country was born from people forced to fight to achieve the government they wanted, and we’re fully capable of doing it again. We’re haven’t been pushed into enough of a corner yet as a country for most people to get on board, but we’re getting there.
People need to stop thinking that the left “has a party.” The right has two parties and the left is trying desperately to stop one from going full authoritarian.
I will tell you what happens when the GOP is served a crushing blow. The people without any real beliefs, like the Trump humpers that voted Obama, come back and devour the DNC from the inside. The game is rigged and youre not a part of the game rigging club. Get use to eating shit and start voting like your friends and families lives depend on it.
It’s possible that YOU deserve better. But WE… dog we vote for this, we chose this.
There is no nefarious conspiracy, our democracy has problems but, by and large, we get what we chose.
Unfortunately, YOU, and I share this country with 350M people and the majority of them fucking love this shit.
dog we vote for this
Half the joke on this.
“Well, now that Biden sucks, I’m not going to vote for him.”
“NOOOOOO! YOU HAVE TO VOTE! DONDALD DRUMPF!!!”
“Okay, fine. I’ll vote for him.”
“Aha. So now you can’t complain!”
Well I was more talking about the parties generously allowing us to participate in the primary process in a democratic way.
BUT, there isn’t going to be a party primary when you have a sitting president in this country. It’s suicide. Voters did choose Joe Biden in 2020. Voters in the GOP chose DT in ‘16 and ‘24.
There isn’t some massive constituency out there hoping for young leftists that got screwed by “the man”. They got washed out by voters who do not want that. I say this all the time on this website. You have to build that constituency from the bottom up. Ignore the presidency for a few cycles and fill your school board and state house with progressives. The party will follow the voters. That is the way it works.
There isn’t some massive constituency out there hoping for young leftists that got screwed by “the man”.
Just the majority of California Democrats. But other than that, basically nobody.
The same people that sent Dianne Feinstein to the senate until she died in office?
Yeah…
Or Kamala, for that matter. But no leftist candidate in California had access to the kind of funds that either Kamala’s or Feinstein’s campaign enjoyed. Very difficult to establish yourself as a known quantity without decades of name recognition and tens of millions of dollars in your war chest.
The Sanders campaign was exceptional in large part thanks to their prodigious fundraising capacity. Also helped that he received over a decade of positive media coverage, plus ample coverage during the Bush Era as a reliable opposition to Bush policy. LA City Council candidates Nithya Raman and Ysabel Jurado had significant success thanks to their own success raising tons of campaign cash.
And this isn’t unique to California. When leftist candidates can find a pool of enthusiastic fund raisers and receptive media coverage, they quickly rise to the top of the pile in crowded races.
we chose this.
Did “we”? If you had to describe someone who voted for Biden in the primaries what would be some of your guesses? You think a bunch of millenials got together and were like “Yeah! Old white man who’s blocked progressive and leftist policies for his entire political career! That’s our guy!”
Yeah. That’s the point. that group you described is a minority in the party.
TBH, older black women put Biden in front in 2020. The same women who saved us from a GOP controlled senate when they came out in force in GA.
If you want to understand the Democratic Party ask a 75 YO black lady who hasn’t missed an election or a church service in her life what her priorities are.
TBH, older black women put Biden in front in 2020.
Source?
I wasn’t able to find good data of the age breakdown, but here’s an editorial with a bunch of statistics that claims black women are what put Biden in office. So I’d rate OP’s claim as “plausible” only because we know that old people vote more than young people.
This article is about the general election. We’re talking about the primaries.
Sorry, missed that. Here’s some demographic information from CNN broken down by state. After looking at a few of the states, Bernie’s base was absolutely white people under age 45, as Biden won all the other demographic groups.
Dig up some exit polls from the 2020 SC dem primary. My statement was based on my recollection from the time. But that is what I was referencing.
You’re claiming black women elected Biden in the 2020 primaries because they helped him win in one state?
Christ. ITT getting JAQed off.
Biden’s a piece of shit baby bomber thanks to Israel, but at least he’s not a rapist like trump, right?
Transparent AF.
All it would take is for Biden to change his actions when it comes to Israel and Trump would lose.
Instead millions are supposed to swallow their principles and vote for somebody who is openly and activelly supporting a new Holocaust.
Most Americans now think Israel’s actions are wrong and yet there is Biden sending 2000lb (that the US itself doesn’t use because of their extreme danger for civilians) to Israel.
Biden is doing the kind of thing one would expect from Putin.
The lesser of two evils is still evil. This is just a plain statement of fact. Like sure, I’d rather eat a turd sandwich than be immersed and drowned in shit, but that doesn’t make the turd in the sandwich any less of a piece of shit.
Voters have the right to call a turd a piece of shit, even if that’s their least bad option. And if certain politicians don’t like being called out for doing shitty things, they can also you know, stop doing shitty things.
PS . I’m not an American and don’t vote in your country’s elections.
PS2. Sorry for all the shit analogies.
don’t worry it’s fine there’s plenty of turds downvoting you
You know, usually when I read “both sides are the same”, it’s a blue conservative like you trying to make people critical of the Democratic party seem unreasonable.
Both sides are capitalist and conservative, but there are differences for sure. Dont you want more differences?
If you wanna really shut up those people bitchhing from the sidelines, the best way to do so is to put them in the game! Force them to show us how to do things since it’s so easy and they have it figured out.
Switching away from first past the post voting allows people to vote for who represents them best while still counting their vote against those they dont want to win. Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoiler effect exists.
Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.
Republicans are moving to make alternative electoral systems illegal in their states. Republicans LOVE first past the post voting. Just sbsolutely adore it. Why would you want to use the same voting system republicans want?
So what’s the hold up blue states?
Consider starting a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.
Nice copypasta man. Have any original thoughts though?
As I’ve said many times before, Approval Voting and Proportional Representation are the way to go in order to break the duopoly. Volunteer with Election Science to get this shit started.
Yo, you already spammed this when you made the Hilary post. Exact wording too.
Internet discourse is when ctrl+c ctrl+v
If you start talking about getting rid of Red vs Blue, and get more into eating the rich, you find a whole lot more unity real fast. I know many conservatives that hop right on that bandwagon, enthusiastically. Trump v Biden? That’s pointless. Wasting billionaires and their families? Now that gets people excited and unified.
unless they get to kill trans people, then the reds will always vote for them.
Wasting billionaires and their families? Now that gets people excited and unified.
Yeah it turns moderates and liberals into fascists real fast.
