“Just as Coleman fired twice, another gun appeared to fly from Rogers’ hand into a front yard.” Surely the cop had no reason to shoot…
I 100% agree. The victim was running away, so there was no reason to shoot.
Even if he had a gun? Something that’s made specifically to kill people and no citizen should get to own?
Weird how ya’ll are pro-gun all of a sudden, even more pro-gun than the typical pro-gun nuts. Lol.
Slightly clickbait: Bodycam battery died
Slightly clickbait: Bodycam battery died
Assuming you take the cops at their word. Because they have such a great track record of telling the truth when it comes to body cams (or literally anything for that matter).
i read the article, saw the video and asked mysel
don’t they have any law enforcement there ???
He looks like he graduated from Coleco Police Academy.
This officer deserves to be imprisoned.
ACAB
How come all the pro-gun fuckstains that claim “guns keep police honest” are never in these threads saying “the kid should have opened fire on the cop” or “people in nearby houses should have threatened the cop with a gun”?
But nope, they just stick to threads about gun control and peddle the same rhetoric that crystal gripping hippies have used for decades. “My cancer-preventing crystals didn’t prevent your cancer? Damn, imagine how much cancer you would have had without the crystals”
If it makes it any better I wish people wouldve gunned down the cop, but im also a mildly insane socialst redneck. But hey some of us do want to burn down the local police station, we are just few and far between.
I don’t care if you burn down police stations, figuratively or literally. I’m just sick to fucking death of pro-gun people seeking out vulnerable minorities and convincing them that buying a gun is anything other than a donation to the Republican party.
Dude I was responding to the point of “Why dont pro-gun people advocate shooting cops” not some point about how buying firearms is unethical. As for that point, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Shopping at Walmart probably contributes just as much if not more to the republicans than buying a 1911 or an AR-15. Dont know if ya noticed but we’ve got a bit of a Nazi problem again, and frankly even if we keep the republicans out of office they will probably cause problems for minorities.
As for the claim that folks like myself are preying on minorities, I am of the general opinion that adults have the ability to tell if they think they may need a firearm or not. One of my best friends is trans and a tad bit too suicidal to trust himself with one, one of my other friends has at least two shotguns in his closet. I have no guns cause Ronald Reagan started the trend of shitty guns laws here in California and I am also a broke motherfucker.
Shopping at Walmart probably contributes just as much if not more to the republicans than buying a 1911 or an AR-15.
You don’t need to make guesses. You can see how much the gun lobby donates (and to what scumbags).
Dont know if ya noticed but we’ve got a bit of a Nazi problem again, and frankly even if we keep the republicans out of office they will probably cause problems for minorities.
Damn, so the Nazi problem must be even worse in places like Australia and the UK who have “banned guns” right? Oh look at that. It isn’t. Because guns don’t prevent Nazis.
But goddamn, do those gun laws ever help Nazis. I don’t know how many Nazis there are with AR-15s in England, but if I was betting on something that fucked, my money would be on “zero”. Meanwhile in America there must be what… at least a million?
So thanks for that. Thanks for ensuring that the “problems” they cause minorities aren’t just slurs and fists, but being executed in the street by a “responsible gun owner”.
One of my best friends is trans and a tad bit too suicidal to trust himself with one
What a cool situation the pro-gun community has put them in. If they’re murdered by a far-right fuckstain with a legal gun, the pro-gun community will victim blame them because they didn’t have a gun. If they buy a gun and kill themselves with it, they’ll be swept under the rug because suicides don’t count for the pro-gun crowd.
my other friends has at least two shotguns in his closet
Then your friend should secure their firearms properly.
this is just murder
Should add conspiracy and interfering with an investigation to the murder charges
attempted
alleged
What are you talking about?
He was running away with a gun. The cop literally said “drop the gun, drop the gun, drop the gun or I’ll shoot you.”
It’s sad how people like you think people should be allowed to behave like this without getting shot.
That cop did his duty and I support him wholeheartedly. Most of the people on these forums need a reality check, because whatever is upvoted is not always correct.
He did drop his gun. You can see it in the video, he yeeted that fuckin thing. There is NO REASON to shoot someone in the back, because if their back is towards you, they are not a threat to you. The only people who shoot other people in the back are fucking cowards, you fucking coward.
Such naive views.
Yeah, the only thing people like you understand are ad hominem attacks because you can’t form a coherent thought, let alone a coherent argument. Thankfully your influence will not outlive you.
Such gusto and pride!
Perhaps one day, you will realise in life that some people don’t care enough to argue or debate with you. Your feverish comments remind me of a crazed man screaming and foaming at the mouth thinking he’s making an excellent point.
Lol, you responded to him first, my dude. If anyone should learn the lesson of when not to argue with someone, it’s you.
Looooool, good point my dude
Fucking disgusting, justifying execution because “cops”
Haha. There you go arguing with yourself again.
It’s sad how people like you think people should be allowed to behave like this without getting shot.
Jesus fucking Christ. You do not belong in society.
What, you don’t like living under fear of death when we have a judicial system? That whole innocent until proven thing?
People like him and the cop here put bloodshed over rule of law, and as unfortunate as it is our current society does give them a place.
Cops aren’t allowed to perform summary executions. It doesn’t matter what the cop demanded he do. He’s not allowed to execute people for disobedience.
That wasn’t a summary execution, though.
Stop replacing reality with your fantasies if you want to be taken seriously by rational people.
He shot him in the back. He may not have executed him successfully, but he certainly tried.
Just keep living in your fantasy world.
Could you explain how this is fantasy?
I guess not.
If someone from a house shot the cop before he could shoot the kid I would say “The neighbor did their duty and I support them wholeheartedly.”
You didn’t watch the video then?
The video of someone being shot in the back?
The cop literally said “drop the gun, drop the gun, drop the gun or I’ll shoot you.”
It’s sad how people like you think people should be allowed to behave like this without getting shot.
It’s sad how you think anybody who even appears to pose a threat to a police officer is forfeiting their life by not immediately dropping flat on the ground with their hands above their heads.
The kid dropped his gun, you can see and hear it, it landed in the driveway on the lower left of the screen.
The officer had NO REASON to fire at that point, when the kid had his back turned and was clearly just trying to make it out of there alive. Fight or flight response meant he definitely wasn’t thinking clearly but he was also in no way a threat to anybody.
What do you think would happen to a civilian in a Stand Your Ground state did this ?
If someone with a gun broke into their home, and the home owner chased them out of the house, pursued them, and then shot them in the back without an immediate threat to their life, they would most certainly be charged with murder.
It’s sad how people like you think people “behaving like this” deserve to die.
Yeah. The video where the man points the gun backwards, towards the cop, before being shot. The cop should be charged with something because the bodycam wasn’t on, and it’s tragic that someone was shot, but play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If the guy didn’t want to get shot he shouldn’t have pointed a gun at someone.I’m going to start replying to every comment that says “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes” with this: kill yourself
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copsANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They’re about killing people; we’re not.
“I thought you were going to try and pull that gun on me,” Coleman said.
But it’s not like he has a history of this shit, oh wait
“Coleman was implicated in court testimony in 2022 for participating in the Vallejo police badge bending scandal, where officers bent the tips of their badges to mark fatal shootings. Coleman testified his badge was bent against his will, but a department superior testified that he was more involved than he said and may have even helped spread the practice to other officers.”
People underestimate the number of active serial killers there are because so many of them wear badges and their murders are never prosecuted.
Similarly people also underestimate the number of people who commit domestic violence against their partners, the numbers are obviously difficult to get a real handle on (you are asking people to reveal things they might not want to reveal, even if they are the victim) but the number is probably somewhere around 30% of cops commit domestic abuse on their spouses and family.
Removed, rule 2:
② If you’re here to support the police, you’re trolling. Please exercise your right to remain silent.
It’s too late. The snowball effect has taken hold.
Tribalism wins over all on these forums. Everyone is just trying to fit in, lol.
Glad that adults in the real world trump children on the internet. This place is a containment zone more than anything else.
“play stupid games win stupid prizes” isn’t a philosophical basis for a justice system. Even Hammurabi moved us beyond that shit. Your worldview is meme based. It’s pretty sad.
What do you think he was going to use that gun for?
I mean this is America, that gun could be used for literally anything and someone would say “hey you too? I always use my gun to fix squeaky door hinges!”
What do you think rightwing chuds that demand to bring assault rifles into ice cream shops are going to use their 30 round 5.56mm ar-15 with 90 rounds of ammunition for?
If rightwing libertarian free speech warriors had even the tiniest scrap of integrity to their beliefs they would clearly be livid with anger about a random person possessing a firearm being deemed a lethal threat by the unelected government officials and then arbitrarily executed on the spot.
You would think these brave defenders of American culture would immediately recognize the problem with making it ok for an unelected government official to shoot someone else on sight for possessing a firearm, and face almost zero percent chance of consequences for being wildly incompetent and racist?
Of course, this is about who rightwing culture teaches you to be afraid of and who rightwing culture absolves of all responsibility for threatening and committing lethal violence in our communities.
Sorry, I didn’t read all that. It started off as drivel and I can only assume it continued as such.
I hope you got it out of your system, though. Good for the tribe!
ACAB
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Without cops, gangbangers like this guy would rule society. You would be at their mercy, and it wouldn’t be pretty.
We all know you can’t defend yourself.
It’s weird how few “gangbangers” ever wind up being caught, pursued, litigated against and how many of them cops seem to kill or claim they’ve killed before any substantial evidence is ever obtained.
It’s almost like they’re justifying their increased budgets and surveillance even though crime has been on a steady decline (covid spike notwithstanding) for the last 50 years.
Those same gangbangers exist in countries that don’t have the same level of police shootings, and they haven’t overrun the government (even though bad guys don’t listen to gun laws and can buy them anywhere, as police tell me, so that can’t be the case)
You’re living in a fantasy land, sorry.
Can you give me an example where this is true. There’s plenty of counties that only have a sheriff’s department with minimal police presence and they aren’t overrun with gangs.
CHAZ.
you’re gonna have to have examples for wild statements like that, dude.
Mexico. CHAZ.
It’s like people can’t comprehend that two things can be true at once:
- Is this cop looking for an excuse to perform a fatal shooting? Based on his prior scandal? Most definitely.
- Would this guy be alive still if he didn’t run away from a cop? Most definitely.
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Oh man, this cop is in for a real threat. What is he going to do on his paid administrative leave?!?!?!
Obviously he’ll take the time to manage his GoFundMe for all the trauma and suffering he had to go through.
Disgusting. I hope he gets life.
I hope he fucking dies.
Removed under rule 3, please read the sidebar:
“③ Saying cops ANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They’re about killing people; we’re not.”
No, life would be better. Death is a painless solution, while living as a former pig in a maximum security prison is going to leave him with PTSD, anxiety, fear, and hopefully plenty of physical abuse.
All at the tax payers expense.
I’ve always heard that the death penalty costs more than life in prison
That’s more an issue of the court/justice system rather than a resource one. It’s objectively more expensive to keep a person alive than to kill them, if it “costs more” it’s just due to bureaucracy.
Maybe, but your idea for a punishment is a total pipe dream. He will not get a significant sentence…if he sees any punishment at all. In the grand scheme of things a family member of this kid finding him and shooting him in the face as his family watches is simply more likely to happen.
Also probably not going to happen but…whatever. Thats the country we live in. 3 years from now he will be cleared of all wrong doing.
Incarcerated on the taxpayers’ bill, no less. Meh. FAFO, fuckin’ pigs. ✊🏽
Why? To have his buddies in the system help release him early but still broken psychologically to abuse the family who had finally gotten use to a new normal without the red marks from the thin blue line? To have that shell of an abuser go out into the world, hating the people around him for not understanding that his reality was enforcing the distinction between the elite alpha wolf first responders in life and the glue sniffing degenerate civilians that need to be protected from themselves - except now he’s not privileged. He’s now one of the people he has grown to despise and he can’t stand it. He grows resentful and eventually kills himself and/or those around him.
Idunno what you said that got removed, but I agree
If he goes to prison I’ll eat my shoe. And it’s not leather.
Hemp?
Something with a bit more cancer risk.
Bacon?
Too greasy.
And I’m guessing the paperwork filled at the time was lying about this detail
a taser would have sufficed in this situation.
A taser would suffice in nearly ALL use of force situations.
As an outsider it seems like America is a country full of people running around with guns and shooting each other. How does anyone there manage to relax?
The real answer is that most people can not manage to relax, even if just because of financial issues alone.
Eh, there’s pretty bad police violence globally, if we ignore authoritarian countries or poor countries, there’s a fair amount of police violence from the other country that jerks itself off in being a free equal liberal democracy, France.
When I was in France I did see the police being heavy-handed on a few occasions (by UK standards anyway) but there was no routine gun violence and certainly no 18 year olds running around with pistols. The US is unique among developed countries.
It don’t sound developed to me. Ever increasing poverty, hard labour, long hours, no social healthcare, political unrest.
It’s funny how when cops do something good, nobody knows or gives a shit, but when a cop shoots someone, everyone starts going crazy and comment “ACAB” everywhere.
I’ll reply “ACAB” on posts of cops doing the right thing, too. The first A isn’t just for show.
Them doing something good is supposed to be the status qo.
There are plenty of tough jobs that require more praise where not doing a good job doesnt equal killing people.
Now i don’t align with acab, i know that its statistically not true, but rotten apples will spoil the basket and i haven’t seen a law enforcement that looked trustworthy and helpful in a long time.
Well of course you have seen law enforcement being helpful, between “Police shot an armed bank robber and everyone else is unharmed” and “Police shot an unarmed teenager”, what do you think will get more public attention? It’s definitely not “Police helped an old woman crossed the street”, nobody gives a fuck about that, I’ve run into both good and bad cops and even I don’t care.
And it gets attention because it shouldn’t happen, yet the police over there keep killing people they shouldn’t.
And how does it justify saying “All cops are bastards”? What makes you think ALL cops are bad? Every single one? Or maybe there are two sides of a coin and you just straight up refuse to accept the fact that the other side exists? Tell me, if you hate cops that much, would you call them if your children get kidnap? And what would happen to society if the police or any group that enforce the law is no more?
Do good cops out the bad ones? Nope. They’ll just let them do their corrupt bullshit making them complicit in the harm they do. Do we need cops? Yes. Do we need cops murdering civilians without serious consequence?
Hey King! You dropped this 👑. Don’t engage this Troll, everyone with half a braincell gets your point. They are Just fishing for attention.
How about you show me the number of people killed by police and the number of people helped by police in a year? Also, based on you “logic”, cops aren’t supposed to do anything good, they have to kill people constantly in order to be cops, if a cop doesn’t do any of that, they are not a cop? And since you didn’t answer my questions. Imma ask them again: “And how does it justify saying “All cops are bastards”? What makes you think ALL cops are bad? Every single one? Or maybe there are two sides of a coin and you just straight up refuse to accept the fact that the other side exists? Tell me, if you hate cops that much, would you call them if your children get kidnap? And what would happen to society if the police or any group that enforce the law is no more?” Oh and an extra one: If ALL cops are bad, every single one of them, how come there aren’t riots or resistance EVERYWHERE?
That’s kinda like complaining about how nobody talks about how airlines keep planes flying and landing successfully, how the media only focuses on planes crashing and accidents. “Sure, this one airline covered up poor maintenance practices leading to deaths, but what about all the passengers airlines help everyday?”
Imagine airlines get to investigate themselves instead of the FAA and how it would go over when they find they did nothing wrong every time.
You can’t stand next to a guy like this and retain your moral authority. The spoiled apple ruins the entire barrel.
Doing “something good” doesn’t suddenly make up for all the people they’ve killed, maimed, raped, etc. Isn’t it crazy that cops can do this all the time and nothing happens? Not acknowledging there’s a problem that people are ignoring is crazy.
You can’t trust a cadre of people who have been proven to be likely to have an authoritarian personality to be the arbiter of justice in high-stress situations and hand them lethal weapons - especially not after training them that every single person they meet could be dangerous.
He shot someone running away in the back, I guess because he didn’t feel like running after him even though he’s both mandated to be in shape and monetarily compensated for it. Generally that’s seen as worthless coward behaviour, but it looks like @0Xero0 loves that type of thing!
You must also believe we should execute people instead of putting them on trial, because that’s what happens every time a cop kills someone for a simple traffic violation or for running away/freezing up because they’re scared.
I don’t know man, I’m all for police oversight, but this isn’t a great example. This dude is running around a neighbourhood with a gun. Who says he doesn’t go into one of those houses and some innocent person gets hurt.
The cop yelled at him to drop the gun and stop running, he didn’t.
The part of them trying to cover it up after is shitty, but the action itself I can’t really take the criminal’s side. Again, image that’s my neighbour with my kids playing in the area, I don’t want some lunatic running around with a gun.
I realise what sub I’m in, and this isn’t a popular opinion and that’s fine. We need police reform, but this isn’t a good example.
When people jump on everything with the same fervor it weakens your case because people start tuning you out.
The media did a great job brainwashing everyone, most of the time they only show cops doing something bad, when the police do something, they just ignore it, even if they do cover it, the majority of people just don’t give a fuck. I’ve run into both bad cops and good cops, not every cop is the same, but people straight up refuse to acknowledge that. They don’t know that if all cops are actually bad, people would riot and fight back everywhere instead of what we have now.
Doesn’ matter, unless you have a reasonable belief that they will use that weapon unlawfully simply possessing it is nothing but an extra charge and you cannot shoot a fleeing suspect unless you have ras to believe that they are dangerous and that suspicion cannot be generalized and inarticulate.
So much this. If we aren’t going to restrict possession of firearms in any way then we can’t use that as a basis for intent. Just replace, “had a gun”, with literally any other constitutionally protected right and this argument falls flat on its face.
“He was using words, we will never know if he was about to run into a theater and yell ‘fire’…”
Very well said!
The pig lied for a reason. Why are you justifying the execution and cover-up?
He pretty clearly calls out that he’s not justifying the execution and cover up.
He does both. Re-read what OP said.
Not everything is black and white. There’s nuance to every situation, and this user brings up good points
Ok, but he still justified the attempted execution and cover-up…I don’t see how that is acceptable‽
No, he literally gave a caveat that the cover up was still unacceptable.
“Somebody could potentially have been in danger later” doesn’t justify murder.
Additionally, someone is innocent until proven guilty and that’s not the cops job. The cop shot someone not guilty and now people are speculating about the crimes that person could have done to justify it
Of course it doesn’t because that “somebody” isn’t someone you know. If that “someone” is your family, what do you suggest he do?
This is an interesting ethical dilemma which I don’t know if there’s a clear cut answer. It’s a variation of the trolley problem (sort of). I think it depends a lot on the risk assessment being made. I don’t know the details of this particular case, but I can think of plenty of examples where a potential future danger should be limited by direct action. I’m happy to provide examples if you’re interested in exploring this thought further. I don’t know that I have a simple yes/no answer to this dilemma (also why I never became a cop).
Actually, the Fleeing Felon rule explicitly does allow for deadly force in this case.
I dunno. Brandishing is a misdemeanor in CA and it doesn’t sound like there was any probable cause to believe that the guy posed a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others.
Seems like shooting someone in the back as they run away while discarding their weapon is questionable at best.
Running away from a traffic stop?
Really?
What’s next? Jaywalking?
You guys don’t understand he just kept crossing the street!
This dude is running around a neighbourhood with a gun.
So were the cops, and they actually shot people dead! Why aren’t they fair game to shoot?
I’m all for devils advocate and hearing all sides and all but…
Coleman has Been Involved in Four Other Shootings, was Previously Implicated in Fatal Shooting Scandal
If there’s a scent of shit everywhere you go, at some point you might want to check your shoes.
I don’t think a person is actually interested in hearing both sides if this is mysteriously omitted from their discussion.
“Coleman was implicated in court testimony in 2022 for participating in the Vallejo police badge bending scandal, where officers bent the tips of their badges to mark fatal shootings. Coleman testified his badge was bent against his will, but a department superior testified that he was more involved than he said and may have even helped spread the practice to other officers.”
You make some good points in general, but Coleman seems to be everything a cop should not be…
In America, you are legally allowed to have a gun.
There’s no real reason to think this guy was a criminal.
Yes, you can have a gun, but holding it opening in front of an officer is asking for trouble.
That’s fascism.
Typical worthless right wing response, you’re the problem
No literally. Legally you can have a gun. Legally, you cannot be brandishing it in public. He’s right LMAO
Did you watch the video? He’s dropping the guns. He drops one in the driveway right in front of the camera. Then he’s in the process of dropping the second when the police officer shoots him.
You cannot give people the right to bear arms and then shoot them for complying with police orders.
Ah, you got me there, I was looking away when the dude dropped the first.
Complying with orders, is that what the guy was doing when he was running?
The stated orders were “drop the gun.”
Guns are the problem. Take away the guns in this situation neither party is going to die.
I get that American cops have a very bad rep but I can’t imagine having to work each day wondering if today is the day you’re going to get killed on the job. It’s no wonder they get trigger happy. Kill or be killed etc.Agreed! Take the guns away from the regular cops! Thanks, we agree.
I would understand that reasoning but cops aren’t even in the top 10 deadliest professions in the US.
yea the article should have been titled armed 18 year old too but you know they probably believe that ends justify the means. in any case seems like this police was one of them trigger happy ones who probably wont feel a drop of remorse over this.
They chased a traffic stop. This wasn’t some crazed murderer on the run. And then the guy tried to comply with the order. He tried to drop his gun. But the officer shot him when he tried to.
The officer has also been involved in 4 other shootings.
So much for “most officers never even pull their gun…”
You can’t go by what if. I’m so tired of people defending their stance because of whataboutism. It’s a shitty argument. Dude was literally running for his life. I will be honest, I don’t know the full extent of the situation yet, but I do agree with you that people shouldn’t just jump on the bandwagon just because a cop shot someone. But just looking at the video, I don’t see why this kid was shot. Did the kid shoot at the officer? Did the kid threaten the officer’s life? Those are the questions I don’t know.
Should I fear for my life just because I am carrying a gun? I live in an open carry state. I don’t carry anymore, but I see plenty of people walking around with a weapon. my first thought isn’t that the person is a criminal just because they carry and I really don’t have much thought about it at all.
My views on this are still neutral until I know more information, but please don’t go on about whataboutism.
In the same comment where you suggest people stop going by what if, you say:
I will be honest, I don’t know the full extent of the situation yet
You’re making a stance based on your admitted lack of information, and a single video that doesn’t show the whole story.
“We don’t have enough information” is a perfectly valid stance to take when you lack information.
It should in fact be the default stance to take when lacking information.
The guy that got shot was part of a car chase that switched to a foot chase after the cars tire blew out. The guy didn’t just walk down the road with a gun. In the video you can also see the guy making a strange movement with the gun just before the cop shot. It most likely was to throw the gun away but the cop couldn’t have known that. And given the overall circumstances shooting at this point seems reasonable.
But the cop is still a piece of shit that shouldn’t have been a cop by this point anymore. He is a cop since 2018 and has been involved in now 5 shootings (far higher than the average). And he was part of the badge bending scandal. Where cops bent the tips of their badge to mark fatal shootings. Any cop who does that, shouldn’t be a cop.
Luckily the guy survived, unfortunately the cop will stay a cop.
He threw a gun away right in front of the cop. It would be a weird move to throw one away and shoot with the other one.
So? When situations like this occur in Australia our police will taze first. (unless you’re indigenous or POC…).
The police have other effective methods of stopping a violent person from running into other houses.
If the suspect raises the stakes to endangering life, half measures don’t cut it.
You have a gun out in front of an officer, I am not surprised when tensions rise and someone gets shot.
Shoot someone, who is not immediately threatening another person, in the back in Australia and you are going to jail even if you’re a cop.
America has a broken justice system and dysfunctional police.
Wasn’t it just last week some cop in NSW gunned someone down for looking at him crossways?
Edit: my bad, it was 2 years ago that 4 cops went on a hunt and shot a guy in his own yard for wearing a hoodie. 2 days before Christmas. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-19/nsw-police-brad-balzan-inquest-st-marys/103600190
