Dont let the Tankies see this meme
It’s a unique tragedy of the human animal that how we label an atrocity is central to the question of what to do about it.
An alien might very well assume that humans worship words because some of them are symbols of real power to eclipse any icon, fetish, or talisman.
Has any holy book ever inspired the devotion that the dictionary enjoys? What is a Supreme Court judge other than a robed literary priest endowed with the power to declare what words mean?
What is a Supreme Court judge other than a robed literary priest endowed with the power to declare what words mean?
Black’s Law Dictionary even looks like a bible!
Adrian Zenz
Yes, but no. Zenz has exaggerated what is happening, but human rights groups’ limited investigations show that their is a disruption to the culture.
Critical support for Comrade Xi’s Uyghur Genocide! (but also it’s not happening, and if it was it’s justified anyway)
I understand this is sarcastic, but cultural genocide should never be justified, in China or Palestine.
That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
And if it is, that’s not my fault.
And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
Nice distract from Gaza
Nice distract from ukraine
Nice distract from climate change (looking forward to seeing where this goes)
Nice distraction from the bees dying
Nice distraction from the uprise of right-wing extremism in the political landscape of multiple nations.
Nice distraction from my back hurting
Ain’t nothing distracting from that
Well, two bad things can happen at once.
Crap
And its just a coincidence that all of those are imperialist sources
And that none of them make the claim that OP suggests.
But this is lemmy.world, facts have no place here. It’s all about who can be the louder namecaller.
You are correct. But. China controls the press in their country. You really can’t trust news from either side. But the little facts we can glean seems to show that something is happening. Whether ii is a cultural genocide, only time will tell.
True. But i should mention that israel is carrying out hitler-would-be-proud style genocide and western media isnt talking about it. The only actual trustable sources nowdays are independent local journalists/analysts, and unfortunelly most of them talk only in their languages. Also thats why its so important for the ruling classes to censor the Internet worldwide
and western media isnt talking about it.
Perhaps if you’re not looking.
They dont call it a genocide, yet. Maybe electoral consequences will change the narrative, but so far they are still endorsing israels genocide
When is Lenny.ml getting defederated with the likes of lemmy.grad and hexbear…
What i said isn’t true?
You literally denied the genocide of Uyghur’s…by saying it’s imperial sources so it’s false.
You are describing your own conclusions. What i said is that its a coincidence that all of them are imperialist sources, and in fact they are. But its good to know that just by pointing to this fact makes you associate it with being fake, at some level even you understand that
No shit, it’s very well known that the CCP doesn’t do correct info as anything that’s going to make china look bad they wash with different info. They still will not say how many died from COVID and produced numbers that are so far below the global numbers that they’re laughable…so yes it’s imperial/Western News. Get over it.
Hey smart guy, the media lies to you too, no need to cuck for capitalists. Its impressive how people here bootlickers for their rulling classes
Lol thinking communism and authoritarian dictators are better than capitalism is hilarious.
When choosing between biased anti-Chinese sources from countries with a free press, or biased pro-Chinese sources from countries without a free press, I know which I’m going to choose.
You think western media is free? Lol
Well, it’s paid for and has biases, but reporters don’t get disappeared because they didn’t tow a party line.
Do you think Gary Webb or Julian Assange would agree 100% with you on that?
Julian Assange fled from a rape accusation.
And Gary Webb? Really, that’s your go to?
They don’t have to be disappeared. They just get drowned out and discredited. Source.
Lets see what happens with your hero tucker carlson
Lol, the projection is strong.
If you’re too good of a journalist you get your car blown up with you in it.
In that it is not directly controlled by the state.
Its controlled by the capitalists (the owner), who also happen to control the state (as donors for politicians). Is this free?
Western media are often controlled or influenced by the Chinese or Russian government, through their proxies.
Eg.
In other words, even western media are also often biased in favour of China.
I don’t think it’s free but it is free-er . You have an admittedly shitty balance of power between politicians who want to be voted for and capitalists who want to make money and voter/consumers. The population, who as a collective, want excellent public and private services with low prices/ taxes and generally not too concerned how that happens. Don’t get me wrong there are lots of fantastic people in the world and most people I meet I think are genuinely decent. A person is smart but people are dumb.
China isn’t any different than “the west” btw
Never said they have a free press. What i pointed at is that western media isnt free
And I only pointed out that trying to separate “the west” or even “the imperialists” from China is a thought mistake
All over the world, wherever there are capitalists, freedom of the press means freedom to buy up newspapers, to buy writers, to bribe, buy and fake “public opinion” for the benefit of the bourgeoisie.
Cry some more tankie
You can add the ABC to that list.
Before the national security law SCMP was often trustworthy.
SCMP always sided with China for the more pressing matters
Now do Israel
I don’t feel the need to crowd the space. I think a lot of other people are doing a bang-up job, there.
Fair enough, every genocide deserves being called out
Honest question- are there mass killings as well? I did not follow this topic for a while, but I thought it is only mass
incarcerationreeducation campaign.Debated, but the things you mentioned qualify as genocide too because they also (slowly) destroy an ethnic group.
As far as I can tell just forced abortions and sterilization. It’s difficult to discern fact from propaganda.
There are multiple ways of making a people disappear
- Simply killing the people, this most agreed definition of genocide (shoah, armenians)
- Sterilizing everyone (various indigenous people like in Canada). You don’t kill anyone but you enfringe on the right to have kids. And you basically make a people disappear in a couple generations.
- Forced assimilation. The people are not killed and their genes stay in the pool, but their culture die off. Often accompanied by bad treatment, kidnapping etc. Sometimes called culturcide or ethnocide.
All three are considered genocide but the gravity of each can be debatted.
As I understand in Xinjiang, the third one seems confirmed, the second one possibly, and the first one probably not. Feel free to correct me.
Is it a genocide if genes are not destroyed? It is forceful cultural assimilation. Not everything bad has to be called genocide. There are other evils in the world, some of them are similar.
I agree, that’s up to debate. Genocide is killing the “genus”, the family in latin. In plain english, it’s killing a “people”. But what’s a people? The individuals that compose it, or its culture, traditions and memory? That’s subjective I’m afraid.
At least I hope we can agree that both are pretty bad.
What if we talk about jihadists? ISIS? Such people are often jailed, and it is considered humane if they are convinced to drop their ideology. Are we doing genocide too?
The issue most people have with jihadists and ISIS is that they abuse many human rights, first among them murder. Not beliefs, acts. And human rights is exactly what people are blaming China for, too.
Now jail is contentious. Freedom is a human right. How much and how should we deprive someone’s rights to protect the rights of others? I don’t have the answer
Who defines human rights? Why human rights are greater than religion? And if they are, then should we round up most of the Islamists, which is significant part of Muslim population? If not, then we are OK with them violating human rights (and women rights specifically, too)? But not with China?
I didn’t know the concept of human right was not consensual, thanks. Despite you opening that topic, I notice that you still use the concept in your argument, you must have a personal definition in your mind.
If not, then we are OK with them violating human rights (and women rights specifically, too)?
That:
the Islamists, which is significant part of Muslim population
is a strong statement that requires a very large study across the very diverse muslim populations in the world. Gonna need a citation on this one.
And most westerners that accuse China of human right abuses are equally not okay with islamists’ abuses, so there’s no dichotomy.
Shhhh. It’s called a motte and bailey tactic. Come out strong with claims of genocide, but when you can’t back them up, oh no, it was alwyas a Cultural genocide. Then when an actual genocide happens in Palestine, you can deflect by saying Let’s not forget about the other “genocides”! All Genocides Matter!
I think all that needs to happen is cultural erasure, which is different from assimilation.
But I am not sure if cultural erasure is called genocide by most people. I also do not think that complete cultural erasure is what China is doing. It erases only religious portion.
In USSR religion was forcefully removed. But nobody called that genocide.
I wish the west would have the balls to call Israel out too. But eh, one genocide at a time I guess. Fuck China
If the west’s media lies about Israel, why do you trust them to tell the truth about China?
Lemmy guess; the only true and honest media is Chinese, right?
Its not genocide if my team is doing it. I’m just fighting the terrorists. They’re doing the genocide.
Fuck China
If the US and China really do get into a war and bombs start falling all over the East Pacific, I’ve got to wonder whether the dead in Macau or the Singapore or Indonesia will garner the same pity as the folks in Kiev and the Gaza strip. I’ve got to wonder how cavalier Americans will feel about war if bombs ever reach their way to Hawaii or California or Texas.
You can crack open a history book and see (with pictures) what America has done in the past when bombed/attacked. You don’t have to imagine you’re the first person to envision such a thing.
Well… I’m guessing you don’t know about Pearl Harbour? The twin towers perhaps?
Those are the usual responses when America is attacked.
West is calling out Israel - its just following the process rather than throwing words out without investigating
Why didn’t they follow the process with China? OIC did and find nothing wrong https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250
Are Muslims supposed to be gaslighted into believing the governments enabling their slaughter in Palestine, Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Myanmar, care about them? Or is this just about demonizing China?
The IOC spent more time going on about cartoons of the prophet Mohammed or defending China, than war crimes in Syria or Sudan. Maybe you should hold the Americans and Israelis to the same standards as the Arab world which doesn’t actually seem to care about Muslim lives either, except when it’s politically convenient or fashionable.
It’s pretty obvious organisations like the IOC and Arab leaders care more about making money, than they do about Arab lives, which is why they chose to ignore Uyghur Muslim suffering. Luckily for them, useful idiots like you will happily parrot propaganda, conspiracy theories, and useful distractions, ensuring the Arab man on the street will never have an actual say in politics. Which allows Arab leaders to continue doing business as usual, make deals with the Russians, Chinese, Americans and sooner or later even the Israelis.
But hey, the Communist Party of China thanks you for your service.
Meanwhile, in US mainstream media…
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/10/middleeast/hind-rajab-death-israel-gaza-intl/index.html
Took them just 4 months
You forgot to condemn the Organization for Islamic Cooperation and most Turkic and Muslim countries for their silence on the Uyghur genocide. Muslims don’t care for one another like the West cares for them. They only pretend to care about Palestinians because they are antisemitic.
The brave people at VOA were quick to condemn them. https://www.voanews.com/a/organization-of-islamic-cooperation-accused-of-ignoring-uyghur-muslims-in-china/6501070.html
/s in case it isn’t obvious
If you googled the OIC report on Uyghur after they visited Xinjiang you will only get results for western outlets condemning it https://www.google.com/search?q=oic+uyghur+repprt&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
They only pretend to care about Palestinians because they are antisemitic.
No its usually money lol. KSA and every surrounding country will happily continue to literally kill people who stand in their way whether it be against Israel or even basic human rights which they deny by denying citizenship unless you’re born to a citizen.
Most of the Muslim countries were also caught buying munitions and spyware from Israel too.
Also you shouldn’t put “West” into one category. Some countries do care about Muslims to varying degrees. Germany is pretty nice. USA only cares if you’ve become a citizen, otherwise screw off. France has always said screw off, and loves to exploit Africa well after colonialism ended.
Both UK and France convinced the USA to also be complacent in the Bosnian genocide, something the USA had no political reason to support like how they support Israel. All because UK and France didn’t want a Muslim country in Europe.
So Muslim countries and Muslims in general are afraid of China but not the West or India? It seems odd they aren’t speaking up on it but the West is. They are speaking up about everything else but the West mostly isn’t.
It is extremely racist to lump one of the largest demographics into one category and act like you are speaking for them lol
Islam itself is fractured into a ton of different groups that identify and want different things. Why are you trying to throw a blanket on it all?
Also any post that mentions Muslims and China you care so much to muddy the waters about. Hm
أروح أتكلم مع جدار أحسن لي.
Go do that and continue trying to legitimize your ability to speak for everyone.
Imagine if cause I spoke English I spoke for all English speaking people. That would be considered ignorant, racist and likely I’m probably not right.
Also it is the 21st century. You can just google translate stuff you doing this proves no sense of legitimacy so I dunno after you’re done maybe jump off that wall too?
Very nice signature You got there friend; but I still can’t make out the name… What’s Your name ?
Least obvious Saudi government agent. Do you also need my maiden name?
It’s wild that if that’s replaced with Israel, the next panel is actually just true
Many of the list is calling for investigation into Israeli war crimes, prosecution of those responsible, and a pause of conflict to investigate and assess the possibility of genocide (thanks SA).
Its not true… yet…
Who isn’t doing or aiding genocide these days?
🎶Everyone’s a little bit r̶a̶c̶i̶s̶t̶ genocidal…🎶
I did some just this morning.
I’m sure we’ve all done a little bit, even by accident.
SCMP says that the US claims there’s a genocide there