To the feds in the chat that think running some bizarre psyop for dark brandon is going to work, you need to format your shit better. Pay somebody to do the job better than the people you currently pay. Fonts, messaging, everything. (What program did you even use to get dynamically sized lines like this lol?..)
You can try to make us ignore the MIC/1%'s power over both sides, but when the people truly wake the fuck up, remember that you’re leaving a massive trail of evidence.
Ignore the genocide ladies and gentlemen, make sure you “never” vote 3rd party because it would “never” work.
Lesser of Two Evils? How about the fuck no.
I will not vote for Trump.
I will not vote for Biden.
Your move DNC.
Choices:
Biden: Kinda meh, has a lot of flaws
Trump: Literal Fascist Dictator
“Both Sides equally bad, trust me bro”
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Look, it is pretty simple:
At the Vote: Lesser of two Evils
Rest of the time: Organise for Change!
It should not be that difficult guys, why do we need to repeat this again?
They probably understand but prefer to not vote for the lesser evil out of emotional reasons. IMO this behaviour appears to be similar to people voting for neoliberal far-right parties out of fear and disappointment although it’s completely detrimental to their interests.
Sadly it’s very hard to persuade people with rational arguments if their behaviour is driven by emotions.
Sadly it’s very hard to persuade people with rational arguments if their behaviour is driven by emotions.
I would like to take concrete steps towards the US murdering fewer brown people. As a trans person things have got worse under Biden (I don’t care about being able to serve in the fucking military lmao).
For all the fashy rhetoric from Trump (he almost literally demanded a kent state during the floyd protests), the squishy center pretended to care about opposing the government when it was doing terrible things. From my perspective that opposition was clearly all coming from a sense of tribalism, because our government is doing worse things now and we’re getting memes about how baller joe biden is.
When the Republicans end up in power they’re like the dog catching the car because they have to do all their unpopular stuff in the open and everyone hates them. When Democrats are in power everyone stops caring when they do demonic shit, so it’s full steam ahead with world war 3. Clearly nuance is lost on liberals and they need a BBEG (painted red) in power in order for them to oppose their own government.
I shouldn’t weigh in that much as I don’t live in the US and only follow US politics from a distance.
I can even very much understand the opposition against the “lesser of 2 evils” notion. Of course I also have emotions (haha) and when I look at the far-right populists in my own country and how the established parties have failed so many people and let the rise of inequality continue… Then I too don’t want to vote for the lesser of two evils.
But I regularly realise how my emotions misguide me. How I become more blind to the reasons why politicians (even conservative ones) act like they do and that it’s not just out of greed, evil and ignorance. How complicated the world is and how grey instead of black and white. Luckily I live in a country where a respectful discourse between political rivals does occasionally happen and allows me to deradicalise myself a bit.
If you want to take concrete steps toward the US murdering fewer brown people, the question IMO would be “where do I have the most leverage with my vote?” If you think that voting neither for Biden, nor for Trump does that, that’s perfectly fine for me and it’s your right, of course. I doubt that voting for a 3rd party in the US has any leverage at all but surely I’m no expert.
If you want to take concrete steps toward the US murdering fewer brown people, the question IMO would be “where do I have the most leverage with my vote?” If you think that voting neither for Biden, nor for Trump does that, that’s perfectly fine for me and it’s your right, of course. I doubt that voting for a 3rd party in the US has any leverage at all but surely I’m no expert.
US “democracy” is structured so that most people living in it are essentially disenfranchised. People make a big stink about voting online, but there’s no popular vote, if you live in a “blue” or “red” state your presidential vote is pretty much purely symbolic. If you’re not a white suburbanite basically all of the centrist elected representatives you will have will smile at you, but ignore 100% of what you say.
His genocide makes all of that irrelevant. Would you vote for hitler just because he had good tax policies?
Welp I guess Lemmy was nice before the bots inevitably showed up.
bots are when you have opinions that genocide is bad, got it.
Joe “brown person slayer” Biden
“far left nutjobs think joe biden hasn’t done anything, check out this list of things that are either fake, symbolic, or terrible”
The problem is that centrists seem to actually think the following are ‘good’ things:
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Enabling and supplying Israeli genocide
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Bombing Yemen for trying to interfere with the Israeli genocide
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Prevented negotiations in Ukraine
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Over a million COVID deaths
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Most active border concentration camps ever
If the fed’s bot accounts could read they’d be straight gassed right now
Prevented negotiations in Ukraine
As in, they supplied Ukraine with military aid? That’s like saying US military aid/sales from 1939 to 1941 to the allies prevented negotiations in Europe and prolonged WW2.
The conditions for the unlimited military aid were “do not negotiate”
That’s why Boris Johnson was airlifted into Istanbul to put a stop to things when they almost had an agreement at the outset of the war.
Yeah, even if you’re somehow pro-genocide, he’s not doing anything to stop this conflict from escalating into a full war in the middle east. Something Trump even managed to avoid doing despite doing some really stupid shit.
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I miss when lemmy wasn’t full of fucking libs.
This is a leftist meme – It’s showing all the accomplishments Joe Biden made, and yes he is a leftist.
This post brought out the Putin Bots didn’t it?
Hexbear found this post lol
I thinks it more that the politics of the terminally online are an anti-west, anti-hegemony, feedback loop. Since Biden doesn’t support the destruction of capitalism then these things don’t matter and everything wrong with the world is his fault.
from the image
arguably saved democracy in Europe
lol
Yeah that part is ridiculous. I don’t think that this is a good meme.
I think it’s also equally ridiculous to lay responsibility on him for the conflict in Gaza. Without at least discussing the geopolitical realities that necessitate we have a reliable ally in the region.
I think the responsibility is more to do with sending unconditional aid to Israel, even bypassing Congress to do it, especially as the case for an apartheid regime committing genocide is being laid out on the world stage.
“Low unemployment” isn’t a useful metric when the minimum wage isn’t enough to live on, and the implication that people should be grateful for “low unemployment” is insulting to people who work full time and still can’t afford food and housing.
Its counterproductive to cite unemployment numbers when trying to rally support for current representatives, unless you can also show that wages are increasing.
Simply referring to the number of jobs that exist feels dismissive and alienating. Instead, you’d get a stronger propaganda effect by citing the number of GOOD jobs that exist - jobs that pay a living wage.
“Ya besides that, NOTHING!” - Drump Supporter, probably
On here, you more often hear whining from socialists
You don’t need to listen to far right nutjobs. They were never going to vote for any Democrat candidate.
You do need to listen to us far left “nutjobs” if you think you need our votes.
EDIT: Goddamn for a group that loves to call us "childish " moderates really don’t appreciate being told they can’t get what they want on their own and have to gasp cooperate with others.
That’s the problem with the far left. They let perfect be the enemy of progress. It really doesn’t need a second thought. The voting system is broken, third parties will never hold significant federal power until it’s fixed, and even then, itll probably not make a damn bit of difference because the far left can’t get over themselves long enough to reach a compromise. Hold your nose and quit with the infighting, and maybe something might get better.
That’s the problem with the far left.
Sorry I can’t hear you over your procorporate trash candidate.
How dare you have principles!
Right? All these people screaming about how the defense of democracy depends on me voting for someone I despise.
The far left are absolutely insane, literally the point of this post. Look at all he’s done and you still get posts like this.
Buddy, call us whatever you want. Get yourself through the grief of people having a different life experience than you and then focus on what matters.
Do you need our votes or not?
Call me when he brings out the trust busting hammer. It’s the one thing that touches on most of the problems in the US.
He needs to actually stand with Unions, actually bring the economy back for the working class, actually make homes and food affordable again.
The other shit is just dressing on the cake. Voters aren’t going to vote for him unless he can do that. They might vote against the other guy, but -
Jobs that don’t pay
A request to the police forces
A counselor the visits once a month
Killing some brown guy in a war we’re all tired of
Lifted a ban the next GOP president is just going to put back
Stopped a pipeline the next GOP president is just going to send DHS agents to guard
And protected land the next GOP president is going to unprotect
And continuing Trump’s abuses of refugees, more efficiently…
Ain’t gonna fucking do it. These aren’t the things we care about. We want to put food on the table for our families.
secured the border
What does that mean though. Concentration camps for undocumented People? Kids in cages? You think that’s a good thing? People are dying in US camps, and you’re presenting that as a ‘haha gotcha liberals they DO kill migrants’
Fuck that.
Also genocide. Never forget that Biden is aiding and abetting a genocide. Don’t fucking look away because he’s your guy, motherfuckers
There’s plenty to complain about, but the significant thing is that every one of those things that are complained about are specifically as bad or worse with his opposition. It would be different if any of it were “Biden aids Israel who is committing genocide, but Trump is against aid to Israel!” or “Biden keeps kids in cages at the border, but Trump would get the border handled more humanely!” Trump unequivocally supports Israel curb-stomping Palestine, and Trump made a lot of the changes that put kids in cages, and his rhetoric suggests he only plans on hitting immigrants harder.
But I get it, there is plenty to complain about with Biden, not least of which is aiding genocide. The meme, though, is concerning the argument that Biden has done nothing while in office, which is clearly not true.
Yup. He has put more immigrants behind bars in makeshift concentration camps than any other president. Inspirational stuff. And supporting genocide? Good old Amerikkkan values right there, some real 20th century stuff from this decrepit ghoul.
‘But the other side is worse’
I’m fully aware that the other side is basically Trump, and Trump will be the end of democracy. A nightmare for everyone but a very select few. A totalitarian moron driven by the worst US politics has to offer. It will be the end of civil liberties.
But don’t let Biden slither away with any of the shit he’s pulling.
“saved democracy in Europe”? i’d argue democracy works better here than in the US of A, and certainly not due to any US president
So I don’t disagree that we need to get less chosey and start voting for the lesser evil at the very least (not even american here bu the UK also has a choice between fuckwad A and B right now) But the bar for ‘extreme leftists’ has now gotten so low that depending on the company simply suggesting that we shouldn’t leave people to die on the street will get you classified as ‘extreme leftist’
Pretty sure in this context ‘extreme leftist’ just means someone who refuses to vote for biden because he hasn’t been “progressive enough”.
If you’re not voting for Biden you’re not progressive enough. Progress doesn’t happen in leaps and bounds. We have to fight for every inch while rowing against the current. A vote for Trump or staying home in protest sends us off a fucking waterfall.
edit: I’m going to be real with you and a lot of you aren’t going to like it. The amount of downvotes I am getting is suspicious. Anyone who claims to be progressive but would shit on what I just said is a fucking liar. Fite me.
In the United States no progress is made at all. Nobody expects leaps and bounds. Everything is getting consistently worse each and every year.
… while it feels that way it’s not really true. The biggest thing right now is people can’t afford a home which is so shitty everyone has the right to be upset. Abortion is another one but this election would be a major deciding factor. In America it is often one step forward two steps back, I’m not denying it. Only, there are people out here who want to make things better for everyone.
Buddy you mentioned some pretty fundamental aspects to peoples lives getting worse. If life isn’t getting worse then what do you suppose is getting better that makes up for unaffordable homes, loss of rights, historic levels of inflation and so on?
Define “everything”
Cost of living and individual rights.
Is unemployment actually down, or is this just like number fudging from folks who work 3 part time jobs?
There’s a LOT more homeless people than I remember ever seeing before.
I’m actually thrilled with Biden, I think he did a better job than I thought he would and regret calling him No Go Joe
Are people on the left saying this?
The 2 things I’ve really not liked about biden is he
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Continued trump era boarder policies significantly harming refugees.
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Has doggedly supported israel in their current genocide campaign.
Other wise his admin has ranged from pretty good to business as usual. 1000% better than trump, but also with some glaring problems.
Are people on the left saying this?
A few. A small, but very loud group online. They’re larger on the Fediverse than most places.
They’re called “Blue MAGA”.
Usually, that’s the accusation leveled towards “Vote Blue no matter who” types, not the far-left types who deny that Democrats have ever done anything that has improved anyone’s life.
Oh, I meant the people saying all the stuff that SpongeBob is showing Patrick.
Blue MAGA are vociferous that Biden is the second coming of Jesus Christ.
I have never, ever come across this person, but I will totally vote blue no matter who when the opposition is today’s average Republican
And that’s why they’ll never change
2 is huge, but you forgot that he busted the railroad union which directly led to ohio burning down
I just thought union busting was something of a proud American tradition.
It’s true, we bust unions like their kneecaps were full of oil.
I’m no fan of Biden (though I did and will vote for him) but that’s not what happened. He did not bust the unions, the 12 unions still exist. He broke a strike, which is the intended purpose of the Railway Labor Act of 1926.
The law he put before congress to force a resolution to the three year negotiation deadlock would have guaranteed the workers 7 days of sick leave per year (they wanted 15). It passed the House but the Senate knocked it down to 1 day, with a 14% immediate pay increase and an additional 25% over the next five years.
Biden continued negotiate for the unions to get the sick days. They don’t all have them yet, but at this point 61% of the workers do have 4 short notice paid sick days with the option to trade three personal days for an additional 3 short notice sick days. Negotiations are still happening, the Biden administration is still part of them.
The Ohio derailment disaster was not a result of worker error (or lack of sick days) but lack of maintenance regulations, which was not something that was being negotiated at that time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_railroad_labor_dispute
Beau of the Fifth Column, Let’s Talk About Biden, the Rails and Sick days… Youtube link
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