Exclusive: Majority of British people found to have ‘shockingly little’ knowledge about Black British history

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    10 months ago

    She would have expected people to name figures such as Quintus Lollius Urbicus, who became governor of Roman Britain

    Look, I know everyone in Britain is required to know the names and dates of all the monarchs going back to the 9th century, but expecting everyone to be able to come up with that name when put on the spot is going a little too far.

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      10 months ago

      I wouldn’t really think of Roman governors of Britain as a “British historical figure”, more like a “Roman historical figure who happened to be stationed in Britain”, same as with modern diplomats or military leaders.

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    10 months ago

    Whilst I am sympathetic to the overall aim of this, things like this:

    She would have expected people to name figures such as Quintus Lollius Urbicus, who became governor of Roman Britain

    …do stand out as being a a bit unrealisitic. I mean, how many governors of Roman Britain of any race or nationality can the typical Briton actually name? I’d be surprised if it was more than 1 and probably less than that.

    And if the expectation is that anyone would know of this guy only because his chief contribution to history is “being black” then I am not sure what we are gaining here.

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    How many people could recognize any but the 3-5 most repeatedly displayed historical figures from significantly before their own birth by sight or describe their appearance? I mean in Britain it might be a few more because they are so obsessed with their past monarchs but I doubt it would reach double digits.

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      10 months ago

      You say that like knowing one’s history is a bad thing. I imagine wherever you are from is equally as “obsessed” about its history.

      For instance, aren’t Americans taught about their past presidents? And most of them had significantly less impact than most of Britain’s monarchs.

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        I am not talking about school or documentaries or anything like that. I was more thinking there is a lot of media that portrays some of the past monarchs in always the same way, e.g. queen Victoria or king Henry VIII. It is not that the people know what they did or who they really were but their images are plastered in a lot of places in ways that others countries do not.

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          Which countries are you culturally aware of enough to know that to be the case?

          The US has mount Rushmore and the Licoln Memorial as an example of a counter point.

          I think most countries have images of their old leaders in a similar way to how UK has it. But I’m curious to know where this is not true.

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            Most have things like statues or that mountain you mention, things that do not represent things like skin tone or hair colour accurately so unless someone differs ethnically a lot from the rest of the population you would never know those details from those kinds of portrayals of their appearance.

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    10 months ago

    I can name one: KSI.

    Not Bri’ish, sorry. Don’t know much about Bri’ish history. Please excuse my ignorance.

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    10 months ago

    Pish-posh! Obviously every true briton should know of their one and only Black Prince!

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    10 months ago

    I’m no Briton and i just know a few bits here and there of British history, but isn’t the UK a traditionally mostly white country ?

    I’m guessing half of say, Norwegians, also can’t name a black Norwegian historical figure either. I’m betting it’s even more than that and they’re the most immediate neighbors of the UK.

    I’m not saying they’re not important to be remembered, or that there weren’t black people in Europe since the Roman times, here and there, but statistically speaking, black people were the overwhelming minority.

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      Norway didn’t colonize the West Indies or Africa (though they ran the Société du Madal for Portugal), thereby increasing the number of black Norwegians to include residents of entirely new majority black countries. There are a lot of black Brits.

      Also, why Norway and not France (physically closer, comparable colonial history) or the Republic of Ireland (former colony, significant “shared history” during the colonial times, literally touching)?

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        Oh right yeah the colonial times. I guess when i was thinking about historical Britain i was thinking about celtic/roman/viking/medieval times. I tend to gloss over colonial times, i find that part of history not to be very appealing to me, but yeah, makes sense. Lots of black people because of the slave trade.

        I picked east, i could’ve picked west, or south sure. No reason in particular.