https://www.instagram.com/p/C-qXXvet419/?locale=en_US%2Cen_US
Stein agrees with Putin. It suprised me.
Putin believe the U.S. and NATO started this war with their “expansion” and are to blame. Putin wants the U.S. to stop sending weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves. These are also Stein’s positions and she has no blame for Putin.
Somehow counties wanting to join NATO for protection against a known aggressor is being aggressive. Swed/Fin did not want to join NATO before the invasion. Putin changed those citizen’s minds.
She said that it was wrong and illegal and that she didn’t agree with it, in the very video you sent!
When asked if she felt it was wrong, she said, “Absolutely, yes. It was wrong, it was a criminal act, it’s a violation of international law.”
You have a habit of leaving out important information, here let me get it for you:
“Absolutely, yes. It was wrong, it was a criminal.act, it’s a violation of international law. At the same time, this war has been ginned up by the US and NATO expansion towards Russian Territory.”
She’s defending Putin’s actions, clearly.
She’s defending Putin’s actions, clearly.
I don’t see it that way. She said ““Absolutely, yes. It was wrong, it was a criminal act, it’s a violation of international law.” How do you see that as she is defending his actions?
Her saying that the US and NATO sucks doesn’t support war.
I’m not voting for her, so I don’t care. But you’re wrong.
She didn’t say NATO and the US suck, she said they started it. You are either willfully misinterpreting this or are so disenfranchised from our current political climate that you’re ignoring serious red flags.
She specifically said she this it’s wrong what Putin is doing, and this it’s against international law. You are either willfully misinterpreting this or are so disenfranchised from our current political climate that you’re ignoring serious red flags.
She’s just pulling a “I’m not racist, but…”
You dont say all that shit and then be like, b-but they started it! After having din-din with daddy Pootin.
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While I personally disagree with this stance in this particular case, I think it’s reasonable to say on the one hand, A did wrong and A was bad, while also pointing out that it takes two to tango and that maybe there were some things that B could have done better.
So to recap, I agree with Stein on A (“It was wrong, it was a criminal act, it’s a violation of international law.”) but disagree with Stein on B (“this war has been ginned up by the US and NATO expansion towards Russian Territory.”)
In fact, I’m quite bothered here as Ukraine joining NATO doesn’t involve Russian Territory unless Ukraine itself is Russian Territory, which I simply cannot agree with.
Thanks for your reasonable response. You make great points.
I’m not voting for her, so I don’t care.
This genuinely surprises me. You hype up Stein a ton on Lemmy. Pretty much every pro-Stein post I see on here is posted by you. And you defend her doggedly in the comments. That seems like a lot of effort and emotional investment for a candidate you won’t be voting for.
You hype up Stein a ton on Lemmy.
I’m not hyping her up. I’m posting news articles. I’m actually voting Socialist Workers Party. I like Stein, but I’m not voting for her.
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Supports Russian terrorism and their propaganda justifications for it though so thppt.
spoiler
- Funding for Ukraine
Do you support continued funding for weapons in Ukraine? What conditions or limits would you place on that funding? Chevron Icon Stein has criticized the money and weapons the United States has sent to Ukraine, and she wrote, "yes, Russia illegally invaded Ukraine – but did so with a gun to its head, or in this case, nuclear-compatible missiles.”
She only admits the invasion is illegal because she’d have to be a complete berserker to think others take her seriously otherwise. The rest is one of Putin’s many BS excuses.
Any links to Stein saying she supports Russian terrorism? I’m not voting for her, but I’ve never heard her say this.
She won’t say the words “I support Putin’s positions”. She will just SUPPORT those positions.
If she’s never said it, then I don’t believe it. Sorry, friend.
You don’t believe she supports Putin’s positions even when she says she supports those positions herself? Mkay
Has she said it? What Putin positions does she support?
Few seconds on Google would tell you but here
https://www.instagram.com/p/C-qXXvet419/?locale=en_US%2Cen_US
When asked if she felt it was wrong, she said, “Absolutely, yes. It was wrong, it was a criminal act, it’s a violation of international law.”
From your link.
It’s in the spoiler I already posted.
She never said she supported Putin.
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Well if she didn’t admit to being a foreign asset, we know for sure she cannot possibly be! /s
It’s literally in her party platform:
Stop fueling the war between Russia and Ukraine and lead on negotiating a peaceful end
Without US/Nato (which she also intends on disbanding) support Ukraine’s peace is subjugation. Period.
None of that says she “supports Putin” though.
You have a history you seem proud of where you are unwilling to comprehend consequences. When 2 people are fighting each other and you step up and hold their arms behind them so the other can take free wacks, who do you support?
BuT yOu DiDn’T SAY yOu SuPpOrT tHe OtHeR gUy… in what world does that matter?
You have a history you seem proud of where you are unwilling to comprehend consequences.
Thanks for being interested enough in me to worry about my “history.” I don’t have to prove anything to you. I disagree with you. You disagree with me. And that’s ok.
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Why did you delete and repost this?
Because someone mentioned the last one was from New York Post and didn’t think it was a good source. So this is from a more legitimate source.
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Ah doing another stein lap?
Let’s see, perhaps a “I’m not voting for her I’m just posting articles”, with a side of “I’m not doing anything wrong, contact the author if you disagree”.
Top it off with a bit of modbait perhaps, as a treat?
Let’s see, perhaps a “I’m not voting for her I’m just posting articles”, with a side of “I’m not doing anything wrong, contact the author if you disagree”.
Exactly. And I stand by those words. You can believe what you wanna belive. I’ve said my part. Accept it or not. Not my problem.
Top it off with a bit of modbait perhaps, as a treat?
I don’t know what that means.
Well, it’s not all of them though, from the article,
According to CAIR’s analysis, Harris leads Stein among Muslim voters in other swing states, including Georgia (43% to 17%), Pennsylvania (37% to 25%), and Nevada (26% to 13%, with Trump at 27%).
Democrats deserve to lose 100 percent of the Muslim vote. and good chunks of any one else that opposes genocide and US Imperialism, but it’ll be the same people that say we need to protect marginalized communities that don’t give a flying fuck about US Imperialism killing people around the world. The majority of them only care about human rights within the US border, which translates to they don’t give a flying fuck about anyone’s rights. If they’re willing to sacrifice someone elses rights to protect theirs, they need to reevaluate themselves.
Agreed.
To cut through the nonsense and save everyone time, especially since many in this community have a habit of resorting to personal attacks when responding to my posts recently: I support and respect everyone’s right to vote for who they want to.
I’m just posting this article that’s already available on a much bigger platform than Lemmy—I didn’t write it, just sharing it for discussion.
Zero people believe you’re authentic
Sealioning before anyone even says anything.
Weird…
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