The person that wrote that is like 31 years old last week
and
“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
old habits et cetera
What if we just make being black, like, illegal, and then we can arrest all black people and force them to work in farm fields…
Wait. This seems familiar.
Why aren’t drafts unconstitutional then? A draft for farming would be infinitely more valuable than a draft for murder.
We could call it “The Large Jump Ahead” or something.
For anyone else who didn’t get the joke, I already googled it and figured it out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward
If anyone is curious, I found it using, “Asian jump ahead” 😅
Nice, good job!
kinda abstract, how about “Down to the Good Ol’ Countryside”?
We’re taking all the glasses and killing the bird too right?
No, we’re just going to start using that pesticide that kills bird eggs again.
Heaven forbid we improve on the ideas using mistakes as maps and stepping stones!
Save it for your blog. We’re shit posting over here.
DDT? That’s that shit that I use on my side of the watershed to keep mosquitoes at bay.i make sure to dump what ever is left from my spay bottles down stream to kill the neighbors mosquitos too
Hell yeah brother! aborted baby eagle screeches
I forget, is that before or after we contact the Trisolarians?
Before. This will create the necessary climate for someone to decide ‘fuck it’ and contact them.
The same people who would recommend this are the same exact people who are clutching pearls at other people coming in and taking their jobs, and also the same exact people who are least likely to have immigrants take their jobs. What do they actually want? Nobody fucking knows, not even them
They want to be angry.
It’s not just them. Everyone wants to be angry. But just sitting around feeding it without channeling it to a predictive end isn’t improving anything.
I don’t want to be angry. I want healthcare, world peace, and then to lie down.
Have you written letters, talked to neighbors, helped any out? Mutual aid, direct action?
What are you doing about it?
What are you doing about it?
See how easy this is?
Mutual aid most days, , got my town a Little Free Library (research to installation), keep it stocked, planning a community garden, volunteer with my town distributing free, fresh produce.
The billionaires are in shambles due to your actions. Thank you for your service.
I don’t need to be a pilot to know a plane crash is bad.
They want to live like how they imagined their grandfathers lived.
But its mostly media lies and misremembered nostalgia
Why should we be subsidizing labor costs for large agribusiness?
I can think of a lot more virtuous forms of national service.
Because then we can seize the means of production.
The next post explains that agriculture is so important, it should be controlled by the government, with quotas, and rations…
/s
Healthcare: ❎ No, that’s communism!
Mandatory Labor: ✅ "Yes, that’s patriotism!
🙄
Spin universal healthcare as “Those damn overpayed doctors should be forced to support their nation!” and BOOM, patriotism.
I legit believe it can be a matter of choice of words. I mean, for some issues.
Simply describe any leftist position without using charged words and I guarantee most republicans would be on board.
My mom is “pro-life.” I interviewed her on what exactly she believed should be legislated. Turns out she’s 100% pro choice but just doesn’t like abortion.
Careful, that cuts both ways. They decide what they want the words to mean…
Kentucky fucking hates Obamacare but if you try taking Kentuckycare (Obamacare+the optional stuff every state was offered+a convenient portal) they’ll fucking riot.
I really am disappointed by the amount of highway litter in the otherwise gorgeous state of California.
Socialism/communism = “someone got something that I don’t think they deserved.”
They’re just bad words to people. I think a lot of the “normal people” on the right are just people who are too stupid to understand politics, so it works like their football team. You don’t need to know anything about the Dallas Cowboys or Patriots to hate them. Democrats are bad because they are the other team. We don’t need to know what “woke” means - it’s just a word that describes people on the bad team.
If you manage to avoid the trigger words, and they haven’t been propagandized on whatever specific topic, it’s really easy to convince them to agree with a lot of left leaning ideas.
We can do both. It will take time and strong, sustained effort. But we can do it.
I mean a national labor corps with incentivized participation isn’t the worst idea. Gives people the opportunity to get work experience without necessarily having to understand their career direction in life.
Shouldn’t be a draft in any circumstances but absolute crisis situation, like essential infrastructure is on the brink of total collapse and regular pay incentives aren’t getting bodies on it fast enough.
Who knows, might get some people into work they didn’t realize they’d gel with, plenty of inspector positions are behind work load and I’ve got s feeling a part of that is just people not knowing the work is out there.
There’s great arguments here about how a service corps could bridge divides and give all youth a better pathway from highschool into the (often predatory) worlds of job markets and higher ed, and also great arguments about why mandatory service infringes on freedom pretty significantly.
Is there a way to structure a national year of service idea that gives people the freedom to opt out yet would still get chosen by many kids from diverse backgrounds? Like how do we get kids who have had a college fund ready to go since they were born to see the benefits of spending a year building bridges? It would be a neat cultural shift.
Probably from social isolation by everyone who did do that.
Like if the rich asshole kids wanna mark themselves out by skipping out on a national service that’s their prerogative, just the same it’s everyone else’s to make judgements about them based on that.
That “some of y’all never worked a service job and it shows” tweet hits a lot harder when there’s a federal budget for the messaging about the good of lending a working hand to your fellow countryfolks.
Nobody with a college fund from day one is going to see the service job tweet and care. They already have a rich kids club of other wealthy friends.
I’d be super on board for this. Treat it similarly to the military, where room and board are provided, and they ship you to an underserved part of the country to help.
Especially if we extended the GI Bill to cover participating. Like, do 4 yrs and you get full tuition covered at any public university.
I think it would really promote national unity and help to lift people out of poverty. You’d have people from all over the country working together, bridging a lot of our internal divisions. You’d get people out of their bubbles and echo chambers and have them actually seeing the country.
If we could normalize it, where it’s just what people did after highschool, it would give people time to figure their lives out. Remove the pressure of having to choose a career right away. I know so many people who “had to go to college” because that was the next step, but didn’t have a clue what they wanted in life, so got useless majors and have dead ended. This would be perfect for people like that.
Plus infrastructure in the US is a joke. And even as the OP implies, farming is a broken business in the US for a number of reasons. There are never enough people working soup kitchens and food pantries, or cleaning up our national forests to prevent forest fires. If we could mobilize our young people en masse, we could make a huge difference in this country.
I’m 1000% on board.
Yeah that’s all fine but it’s blocked by one of two major political parties in the US doesn’t believe government should exist. At best they’d support a privatized version of the that siphoned money out and didn’t help people that need help.
We’re going to struggle to get anything done as long as conservatives are treated as if they have any merit.
No, I think that’s actually the beauty of this. The OP meme is a right wing meme. A national civil service is a right wing position.
I think there’s a way to craft this program in a hugely bipartisan way. You get all the “patriotism, one nation, farms and country” stuff the right wants, and all the “infrastructure improvements, social safety nets, free college” stuff the left wants.
I think there’s a real potential to get some solid bipartisanism here.
I heard in Finland it’s kinda like this. You have to do something like a year in the military or a year in civil service and I like it. Don’t want to do the military? Fine, do the postal service or some shit just do something. It’s like a great equalizer since rich and poor have to do it and they all have the same options.
Nah, fuck conscription, people only have a limited time in this world and you shouldn’t be forced to waste it on the military/civil service. The options should be there if you want to take them, make it appealing if you want, but no one should be forced into any service.
With Finland it’s seen as a social necessity because they’re neighbors with Russia.
Perhaps they will reconsider the ‘need’ for it with their new NATO membership. Will be hard to remove something so ingrained in their culture though.
I doubt it, but maybe. They’re still what amounts to a front line territory.
The United States has had the luxury of an all-volunteer military for slightly longer than I’ve been alive. My name went on the Selective Service roster. They keep that list. They’re having recruitment and retention problems. And the United States has a much bigger population than the likes of Finland.
We had recruiting problems because we had unrealistic medical standards. For decades people just lied about what they could. Then we decided to use a system that could actually check the records of recruits.
Once waivers were made easily available, instead of months of admin work, recruiting goals were magically met again.
I already think some kind of required (paid) community service year should be required for every citizen, so I guess part of that could be agriculture.
Required I think doesn’t cut mustard, like I said, it should be required only when all other possibilities to address a labor shortage crisis have been exhausted.
Required service is something you do when you’re in a weakened or threatened position with what you’re invoking it for, so doing it unnecessarily just doesn’t help quite as much as one might think.
There’s better ways to address a perceived national attitude problem than forced labor.
We are in a weakened, threatened position. 🤪
Without a draft it’s just a Keynsian jobs program like CCC or Teach for America. Not the worst idea in the world.
So there was a reduction of family-operators farming between 1950 and 1990; by 74%. Of course, the number of hired workers has risen. On the surface that makes sense. I would imagine that farms hire illegal immigrants so that they can pay them less than the minimum visa-required pay (which is slightly more than minimum wage); probably also do not provide much in the way of benefits or vacation either. That’s my hunch.
But if i were a young man, and i went through college, and was struggling finding a career in my field and facing the student debt i no-doubt accrued during college, i sure as shit wouldn’t want to spend any amount of time doing indentured servitude. If i did, I’d voluntarily join the Peace Corps or something.
This is insane.
Would you feel differently if people who choose to serve have student debt forgiveness? Like, if the GI Bill covered participants?
I have no issue with people choosing to do anything, regardless of the incentives. What i do have a problem with is the idea of mandatory service that people have no good choice over.
Fair. I get that. I do think it could be something great, but agree it would be better structured as voluntary with heavy incentives for participating.
That said, to your original point, I doubt the intent was to have mandatory service for recent college graduates. Most systems like this require service immediately after high school. So you wouldn’t have a bunch of debt or anything at that point.
I don’t see well-paid civil service as a bad idea. Farming is a way of life, done right, and some of us like it and are willing. When a friend in Germany was about finished with Gymnasium (secondary school) was being faced with mandatory military or civil service. They chose civil, I forget what they did, probably something in IT field. It depends on need and ability what choices are available, but there were several options available and they didn’t hate the idea of a few. It prepared them for university, today they are living quite decently abroad, in the final stages of writing their dissertation. If the USA had this and did it correctly, (proper cool off breaks, hydration, well-paid with comprehensive medical), I see it as a boon with real life skills gained, money to start a life, and a more self-sufficient, yet interdependent society.
Then free food suplimentation for life? Maybe… ask me when I’m not high and hungry.
You know, it might not be a bad idea, because once regular people realize agriculture is exempt from minimum pay laws and OSHA, they might demand change
Fun fact: You’ll get like 10 $ per day and free housing (a bed in a shack) and food during that time.
I actually think this is brilliant. Most Americans have no knowledge or personal connection as to where their food comes from and what goes into producing it. The ag sector is also, sadly, rife with worker abuse, farmers commit suicide at way higher rates than the general population, and our food system is getting increasingly industrialized and specialized, with small farms getting gobbled up by megacorps. But because agriculture usually happens away from population centers (sometimes far away) there’s not a lot of public awareness (or sympathy) of issues. Meanwhile soil depletion and unsustainable practices are setting the US up for all kinds of potential future disasters (second dust bowl, anyone?), and that’s before you factor in climate change.
So yes, let’s have all Americans get even a few months of experience with our food system!
Tabasco specifically?
Mostly cotton.
When your xenophobia and racism reached levels that inhibit your red scare, turning you into a bootlicker: united authoritarianism
Wait, I’ve seen this one before. Didn’t they already try forced farm labor? I think there may have been a war with this issue as a driving force in the conflict.
As long as every farmer has to work in the city for a year.
No, the farmers design bridges and dams.
The engineers work in hospitals.
The doctors we shoot for being nerds.
Perfect society.
Edit: we also kill all the sparrows for some reason.
I’m pretty sure many of those farmers, especially the young ones would not return to the farm. Farmers are stuck in the fantasy that they don’t need the cities. They don’t need any products beyond what they need to ride in the their GPS controlled air conditioned tractor as it plows perfectly straight rows. None of which is built on the farm.
They don’t need any products beyond what they need to ride in the their GPS controlled air conditioned tractor as it plows perfectly straight rows.
That does sound really comfy
Please don’t make me work in a hospital they get mad when you take patients apart
I so want to make a farmer, who likes to complain that comfy office jobs aren’t real work, work a phone support hotline for a year.
But then they should consequently call it
ReichUS Labor Service.
