Lol I had a similar argument with a Tankie recently. Yes, they can both be genocide 🤯
While the comment is obviously bs lemmy.ml propaganda, this post feels more like lemmydrama than a political meme.
That’s because one of them has a mountain of evidence that anyone can see on any social media platform, and the other one doesn’t, because it is sinophobia made up by US propaganda.
Are the Xinjiang papers not enough evidence?
Maybe you would like to follow up on the findings of the select committee investigating the issue?
Maybe you want something Sourced by the BBC?
Don’t be a simp for the CCP. It’s embarrassing.
Are the Xinjiang papers not enough evidence?
Of genocide? No. There’s evidence that they’re pursuing a policy somewhat similar to the US response to 9/11, which is concerning, absolutely, but I wouldn’t label that a genocide in either case. If there’s something specific in the papers you want to present, be my guest.
Maybe you would like to follow up on the findings of the select committee investigating the issue?
Is this source, coming directly from the US government, citing noted crackpot and CIA asset Adrian Zenz, meant to show that this isn’t US propaganda?
Maybe you want something Sourced by the BBC?
Regarding genocide, the only claims the article cites are accusations from the US and UK governments. Well, that a report claiming that the government has been forcibly sterilizing women, a report that comes directly from noted crackpot and CIA asset Adrian Zenz.
There are other claims mentioned in these sources that would constitute human rights abuses, and I don’t deny that. But I agree with the UN report that did not find sufficient evidence to call it a genocide.
There’s evidence that they’re pursuing a domestic policy somewhat similar to the US response to 9/11
Lmao at what point did the United States government detain and imprison and torture millions of people in response to 9/11?
You’re awfully dismissive of a horrific situation just to stand on top of the ethical fallacy that this isn’t “genocide” as it fits your definition.
Sorry, which source shows that China is “detaining, imprisoning, and torturing millions of people?” Where does that idea come from, exactly?
What’s your source, buddy? Feelings isn’t a source.
China temporarily Interned people and took steps to Sinicize the Uyghur population. They didn’t completely destroy or eliminate Uyghur culture or religion and they didn’t do mass killings.
Comparing that to what is happening in Gaza (and the West Bank) is Apples and oranges and it gravely minimizes the absolute carnage being caused by Israel right now
What’s your source?
The sources that ThunderWhiskers listed here: https://lemmy.ml/post/19892385/13431799
Several countries, including the US, UK, Canada and the Netherlands, have accused China of committing genocide - defined by international convention as the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”.
The declarations follow reports that, as well as interning Uyghurs in camps, China has been forcibly mass sterilising Uyghur women to suppress the population, separating children from their families, and attempting to break the cultural traditions of the group.
The US Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, has said China is committing “genocide and crimes against humanity”.
The UK parliament declared in April 2021 that China was committing a genocide in Xinjiang.
A UN human rights committee in 2018 said it had credible reports that China was holding up to a million people in “counter-extremism centres” in Xinjiang.
The only one comparing the two is you. Both can fit the definition of genocide and be horrific without devaluing the other.
Guess I don’t know how to format quotes properly.
Oh wow US Secretary of State, Antony Blinken says it’s a genocide and he’s got a lot of credibility right he knows when he sees and genocide and he always calls it out. Oh wait he’s actively arming and defending the Israeli gov while they systematically murder 100s of thousands of civilians and 10s of thousands of children in front of our eyes.
I wonder if he’s biased? 🤔
Your dismissal of his credibility as a source doesn’t make you any less wrong.
You’re reliance on state department propaganda sources makes you wrong
The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Where’s your evidence that it’s real?
The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Where’s your evidence that it’s real?
Exactly you made the claim that it wasn’t real. So provide proof. Otherwise fuck off back into your hole troglodyte.
That’s extremely not how logic works.
If you tell me that there’s a teapot floating out in a particular point in outer space, and I say there isn’t, you’re the one who has to provide evidence of it. I don’t have to provide evidence there isn’t a teapot, I can just dismiss the claim on the basis that it’s made without evidence. If you say a genocide is happening somewhere, and can’t provide any evidence of it, I’m free to dismiss the claim since it was made without evidence, and I don’t have to provide evidence to justify that dismissal.
This is no different from a theist trying to shift the burden of proof onto an atheist through rhetorical trickery.
Cool, so you don’t have a source. Kindly fuck off.
Cool, so you don’t have a source. Kindly fuck off.
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Phoenix Wright what happened to you
Took me less than a minute, did you struggle to use the search function? https://sh.itjust.works/comment/13694094
I wasn’t talking about whether the comment was real.
Had a few words with the commentor. He’s a fucking idiot.
Average lemmy.ml user
Tankies holding incoherent and mutually exclusive viewpoints? Why I never
They’re just garden-variety reactionaries with no political philosophy or principles besides hating the nebulous “liberal west.”
Report it?
Some ml mods will just ban you for reporting it anyway
Yes the nice part about it is though. This is not a post on ml. It’s a post on world. So they can seethe ineffectually as is their wont.
Already did.
