Good message overall, but man what a terrible choice to depict the left
How so? What do you disagree with?
It reinforces the stereotype of “leftist = rebellious teenager”
Hivemind moment
Evaluating groups based on their goals rather than their methods is a problem. The Far Left wants everyone’s needs met, but historically (and even today in places like China) end up putting a bunch of people in camps and gulags to achieve that goal, squashing dissents to meet that goal, and banning the practicing of religions to meet that goal, kill political dissidents to meet that goal.
If the Left wants to win those Centrists they need to assert their belief in individual rights; they need to disavow the Socialists and Communists of the past and present who implemented those horrible things. When you have prominent American leftists like Bernie on record praising Venezuela; praising the USSR etc… it makes them appear equivalent.
centrist-> far liberal, there I fixed it for you. I hate that stupid centrist word which makes them sound like reasonable people. Deregulation, globalization, privatization of public services, these all have brutal consequences on many people. Selling that as a compromise or a status quo is just an advertising stunt.Bolsheviks literally exterminated entire social groups because they believed they were impure. Calling people “kulaks” and such.
They also deported (as in half dying in the way) to Siberia whole peoples, like Chechens and Ingushs.
Also some peoples by ethnicity alone were deemed suspicious in certain parts of USSR and forcefully moved from there. That’s how there are very few Greeks in Crimea.
And you have those hammer and sickle on the “far left” pic.
He even had a horseshoe tattooed on his neck.
Both sides have fine people, except for those God damn commies who want to open the border and give all of the people houses, food, education, and healthcare.
Just stopping by to say I admire your commitment to the bit.
Downvotes be damned
And also send to the gulag all those who oppose their inept program. You can make anything look nice if you omit all the negative stuff.
Because communism worked out so well every other time.
there is a cure for political illiteracy
You haven’t found it yet.
Neither have you it seems
I can’t tell if you are talking about the right or the left.
Neither can the communists.
I can’t think of any successful communist countries. They’ve all quickly devolved into totalitarian regimes, or else they’ve had to adopt a capitalist economy because a communist economy just didn’t work.
Orrr the US overthrows their government and replaces them with a fascist regime or monarchy whenever there’s even a hint of socialism. Latin America, Asia, post-ww2 Europe… they have a tendency to do that a lot.
The only ones we know of are all authoritarian regimes because they’re the only ones which actually have enough resistanace from outside interference to not fall victim to the USA’s shenanigans. Democracies are extremely vulnerable to outside influence / bad actors, and when you have the most powerful country in the world working to destroy your democratic government, without the centralization to resist that it’s no use fighting back. We created this problem.
This why the right conflates socialism with communism, because they don’t want to acknowledge that northern Europe is absolutely crushing it in both wealth and services.
No country in Europe is even close to the original definition of socialism. Having public health care is not socialism.
I wish we made decisions based on happiness levels rather than GDP.
These countries are obviously doing something right and the rest of the world should take notes from them: https://worldhappiness.report/news/happiest-countries-prove-resilient-despite-overlapping-crises/
These countries are obviously doing something right and the rest of the world should take notes from them
What they’re doing right is a mixture of rather progressive social policy (in the process of being abandoned in favour of the extreme right), and exploitation of poorer countries through unequal exchange. It’s high-school level knowledge of colonialism: import raw materials and agricultural produce from poor countries at low prices, export high-added-value goods and services at a high cost. If every country were to adopt that model, it wouldn’t work because there’d be nobody to exploit. I suggest you read into the concept of unequal exchange
Northern Europe also depends heavily on Unequal Exchange, and has seen sliding safety nets. They are happiest because they are generally the wealthiest, and that wealth must be seen in the international context, as they do not practice Autarky.
there is no such thing as a communist country: communism is stateless
They’ve all quickly devolved into totalitarian regimes
Tell me you haven’t studied the political structures of Cuba and the USSR since the 60s without telling me you haven’t.
While both countries have a high level of concentration of power on bureaucratic elites when it comes to big policy, there were/are a ton of democratic mechanisms that simply don’t exist in the west. Extremely high rates of unionization with unions having big decision-making power in the workplaces and outside them, party-membership being encouraged with extremely high rates of it compared to western democracies, neighborhood councils having actual decision-making power both through legal mechanisms and through funding to enact desired local policy… If you want to learn of a particularly interesting instance, you can read the book “how the worker’s parliaments saved the Cuban revolution” by Pedro Ross, in which it’s detailed how massive democratic participation in the early 90s after the dismantling of the USSR ensured the survival of the country in an astronomical economic crisis.
You also say this as if western countries were democratic at all, as if putting a ballot once every 4-5 years ensured popular decision-making. Study after study show that public support for policy in the west is a terrible predictor of whether that policy is adopted or not, and vice-versa, i.e., public opinion and policy are uncorrelated. The fact that you can’t easily point to a particular authority responsible for this, doesn’t make the system any more democratic, it just makes it look less authoritarian. Who in France supported the rise of the retirement age? Who in Europe supported austerity policy after the 2008 crisis? What percentage of US citizens don’t support socialized healthcare?
It’s enough. Blocking community. Thanks bye.
Begone then
You really know how to alienate the centrist vote, don’t you? Very clever. Very powerful. Surely you are doing The Good Work.
All these arguments about left is this, right is that, no one can tell which is what…
It’s almost as if just one axis can’t describe the unending variety of beliefs people have. I’m sure one day we’ll find a way to describe all those permutations of values everyone holds so dear in just one axis going left to right. Yes. Then the tribes will be clearly defined!
Yes, they certainly made sure everybody’s needs were met during the Holodomor.
That was under Stalin’s rule which was a fascist regime like any other ‘communist’ regime that gained power in the last century.
I get what you are saying, but wasn’t Stalin “just” a dictator (with an iron fist, killing millions) but not faschist?
If one applies a strict definition of fascism, probably yes as stalinism is a kind of it’s own.
Yes, but far left can go that far. Note there are no far left politicians in serious play in American politics. Radical far left means you are ready to go all in on on bad stuff because you think it’s the only means to the correct end.
The far right is currently more dangerous in American politics because they are actually in serious play, but let’s not assume tossing in some far left would make things better.
fascism is right wing
Far-left would be something like anarcho-communism. Fascism is, in fact, far-right.
I suppose this is a way the ‘left<->right’ spectrum to align everything breaks down.
Some would graph ‘authoritarianism’ on the right and more liberty on the ‘left’.
Except some ‘leftists’ would love to use authoritarian strategies against malicious capitalism and people responsible for environmental misbehavior, which are also seen as “leftist” ideals.
As evidenced in the scenario today, where the far right is in rabid support of a convicted felon and the left is rallying behind someone seen as a pretty aggressive prosecutor. Generally opposite of the traditional view of what ‘right’ and ‘left’ would tend to favor.
Authoritarianism tends to assert itself when people feel like they can use it to advance their own stance and minimize opposition, regardless of side. We just don’t have people that far left in US politics currently.
“policy failure in one occasion creating a famine in a preindustrial country which used to have 10 famines a century proves that communists want to murder people!”
This is literally the bravest and most important thing I’ve seen all week. Bravo OP, you’ve convinced me
No, its the most cowardly and destructive thing posted here in a year. OP is a tankie who wants to Stalinized you to Death with illegal woke national socialists. Don’t trust him. Its a trick to make you cucked, soy, and chinese.
Ummm, I know it’s gotten a lot of popularity lately, but the Fallout Series, and especially Liberty Prime, is not real
Anyone still claiming to be an undecided voter in 2024 is quite frankly full of shit
It has always been a myth. Humans are inherently political.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-moderate-middle-is-a-myth/
Anyone claiming that the Democrats goals are to ensure everyone’s needs are met is full of shit.
At this point Dems are moderate right wings and the Republicans are far right. We don’t really have a “far left” party.
So why does the above post refer to undecided voters?
Because majority of left people vote dem and right vote for rep and centrist are undecided. This doesn’t mean left = dem, it just means dems are the best option right now for the left.
OK, so the dems are committed to ensuring everyone’s needs are met. Yes?
I wish
No one in this comment chain said that, they said they were the best option.
No one in this comment chain said that.
It’s in the picture right at the start.
Why mention the Democrats if they aren’t relevant to the meme being discussed?
The meme says “leftists” not democrats. Democrats are rarely leftists, and usually centrists/right wing.
I was not responding to the meme.
ok, so you’re undecided between trump/republicans and harris/democrats?
why?
Are Democrats committed to ensuring everyone’s needs are met?
If not, discussion here is irrelevant.
If you’re not responding to the meme, then why is your discussion on whether “everyone’s needs are met”? OP you responded to was only talking about undecided voters.
Because he’s a fucking Russian plant and the only memes he’s paid to talk about are “Democrats bad”.
How are undecided voters going to make a decision to support the party where “everyone’s needs are met” if there is no option to do so.
the discussion has moved on to see if you’re actually on the left, or are trying to discourage people on the left from voting, or are just a straight up accelerationist/fascist/glowie
The discussion seems to be based on the false assumption that Democrats are left wing and they want to ensure that everyone’s needs are met.
Lol. Had to depict the left with hammer and sickle-- a communist symbol. And it isn’t like the communists are constitent on LGBT rights. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism_and_LGBT_rights?wprov=sfla1
Careful! last time I mentioned that I got called Sinophobic! =P
It’s pretty much the default Chad Leftist Wojak drawing. It’s been around for years.
And it isn’t like the communists are constitent on LGBT rights.
It is in the west for the past 40+ years.
