Downvoting for clickbait. They quote her talking about unpaid internships. I can’t even find any endorsement of unpaid work in her quotes. She only recalls her own experience. Personally, I think internships should be paid and count towards completing your studies. But the article is clickbait to say the least.
It’s fucked up that unpaid internships are even a thing in the US. In Canada, they are illegal. And guess what? Most companies still hire interns. The only reason they don’t pay them in the US is because they can get away with it.
Please stop normalising unpaid internship.
Six one way half a dozen the other. I mean, it’s not so different as you imply. No conditions are right to exploit this way.
When looking back at her own success, going from internship to employment, and eventually landing at Squarespace, Mathur insists “you’ve got to be willing to do whatever it takes” early in your career. “I was willing to work for free, I was willing to work any hours they needed—even on evenings and weekends. I was not focused on traveling,” Mathur concludes. “You really have to just be willing to do anything, any hours, any pay, any type of job—just really remain open.”
Unpaid internships are basically just a way for rich kids to leverage their parents wealth into a career. The vast majority of people cannot afford to work for “experience”, this is only applicable advice for people whose parents are willing and able to foot the bill.
Exactly this. You’re either rich, or you’re working two full-time jobs, which will absolutely wreck the shit out of your mental and physical health in the long run.
Their quoting of “unpaid internship” as something other than “unpaid work” is a distorted view, and part of the problem. No one should work for free unless they are volunteering for charity or something. No one should work for free at a for-profit company, that’s for sure.
This isn’t click-bait. An unpaid internship IS unpaid work.
In Australia and a number of other countries they are ILLEGAL. (Other than when it forms a small part of a degree).
Unpaid internships are work, and it seems you agree. This CMO is literally saying people should be willing to work for free to get their foot in the door, a disgusting and illegal practice which only gives employers even more power.
While I disagree with your comment, I do like that you made it because it presents an opportunity to say that there’s nothing special about unpaid internships that make them more ethical than any other underpaid work. It’s all about the exploitation of people who are in weak positions for the benefit of people in strong positions or setting the requirements for entry such that someone must already be in a strong enough position to survive those requirements. It seems different because it’s been normalized, but “normal” doesn’t equal “good”.
I’d also say similar about how healthcare workers are treated, though that is more about the ridiculous hours and on call times than pay. And any other profession that has accepted it “needs” to abuse people trying to get in.
Btw, that “underpaid work” above includes the majority of jobs in the western economy because capitalism itself is all about exploiting the labour of those who don’t own everything they need for survival or participation in the economy. Ironically, the owners themselves are in the same boat, since they don’t own the labour they need for their own participation, but somehow we’ve landed in a situation where most people think that ownership is far more important than time and effort.
Chief Marketing Officer ? That should not be a thing.
That is just a fancy word for VP of marketing which also means “not in charge of reality based stuff”
This is slavery
This is the newest form of slavery. Subtle.
Slaves are expensive, you have to pay upfront and provide “housing” and “food”; desperate workers are so much better, they have to pay for their own shit with whatever scraps you throw at them!
Slaves are only more expensive upfront. Long run it’s far cheaper considering they will have kids that you then also own. There is a reason why those inbred chicken shit sister fuckers in the south had slaves instead of paying farm workers.
considering they will have kids that you then also own.
Only in the fucked-up american version of slavery. It was never sustainable long-term.
Brazil also had that fucked up thing. A slave’s children were owned by the same asshole that owned the slave. It was only around the 1850s, decades before the full emancipation (1888), that all newborn children were considered free. It didn’t mean much in most cases, since the mother being a slave meant the entire cost of caring for her kid would eventually become a debt to them
Gen Z job seekers should be allowed to steal everything this person owns.
I aint gonna say I condone crime but I also did not see anything either
Clumsy rich and their property 🐸
It’s a crime that these people are rich in the first place.
Never forget, wage theft is the most common form of theft in the USA!
Eat the rich. Farm their unplanted lands!
sure as fuck don’t condone parasites either lol
When the revolution comes, people should remember her and where her mansion is
Good luck finding her in the first place. Why do you think they push the Internet so hard?
Sure. If you want to climb the corporate ladder, chasing money and power, that’s the way it works.
If you want to paint houses for a living, or take X-rays, or something simple that just allows you to comfortably pay your bills, this is fucking stupid.Sure. If you want to climb the corporate ladder, chasing money and power AND daddy is paying your expenses that’s the way it works.
Fixed that for you. Internships only benefit the wealthy.
Internships
only benefitare only available to the wealthy.Bruhh… if my internships = career movers, then yes
But there is so much parasitic “business owners” out there… looks like they are activating again. They got lucky in early 2010s when millennials were desperate for jobs because there were not enough boomers retiring. These parasite are looking for a similar set up, demographics are different.
Let’s see how it plays out.
If you want to climb the corporate ladder, chasing money and power, that’s the way it works.
Nobody gets ahead by providing free labour, that shit is a myth so slaves work “hard” and nepo babies get promoted…
OP’s talking about the necessary grind, not working for free. Though that can be part of success.
20-years ago I was grinding on my computers non-stop. That got me a tech support job. Few jobs later, I’m grinding on my home lab to learn more for what I wanted to do at work. That packed my resume and I doubled my pay and benefits on the next job.
OP’s talking about the necessary grind, not working for free.
what are you basing this on? OP prompt is “free work:” Steve said “sure”
but ok (gen-x) boomer
way to bring your personal non sequitur anecdote int this tho, you really hit peak boomer here
Tbf, I am sick of Gen-X getting a pass or being ignored completely. They had great opportunities just like boomers and they are also pulling up the fucking ladder.
Eat the rich
Ask her to lead by example.
She claims to have done so:
"I went to the business listings and I just started calling up companies and asking them if they had internships available and that I would be willing to work for free.”
It worked. Mathur’s first foot in the door of employment was at the travel firm Travelocity during her first summer at the University of Texas. She did admin and research for its general council—all for free.
I wonder how the money worked at that stage in her life. Was she living off loans? Was she living off wealth from another source?
This is where using your chemistry schooling to make street drugs comes in.
I wonder how the money worked at that stage in her life.
People can do a lot if mommy and daddy support them regardless. That’s why making things work for recipients of nepotism should not be the basis of the economy.
I just started calling companies and asking
Immediately I don’t trust whatever advice she’s dispensing. You can’t just “call places” or “walk in with a resume” anymore. The phone numbers are all automated systems that will never put you in front of people who can hire you. You need a badge to get in anywhere that’ll give you an internship which you can’t get if you don’t work there, and if you did somehow talk to someone they’d just shrug and say “I don’t know how that works, just go to our website and apply there”
Even ignoring the “let them eat cake attitude” it’s obvious she doesn’t even realize how hiring works at her own company. I guarantee you that her advice would not work at Squarespace
Yep, it was her generation that quickly pulled up the ladder behind them.
I imagine it’s something along the lines of calling people at companies who her family knows. I just assume when rich people say nonsense like that, it’s just networking or nepotism that normal people don’t have access to.
Ya, and when rich people get an internship, they are not expected to actually do work. But they somehow believe that they are actually doing work and they believe they did hard work.
Highly likely that there was some connections to grease a bit of the wheels of commerce.
All these “i worked as an intern” usually have some connections that “picked” them from that intern pool. The other interns usually tend to be the fall guys. “So sorry all of you missed out but this person is the bestest!”. While being the son/daughter/friend/family of someone in that company.
I used to work at an insurance company, and I ran the internship program for my department once. When we were doing the interviews, one of the candidates was from my geographic area, which is pretty rural and not many of my coworkers were from anywhere near there. He’d launched a free tutoring program at his high school and carried it on a few hours a week through his first couple years of university until that point. For paid work experience, he had mostly agricultural work, because he had to support his family.
I’m realizing now that I may have been a little naïve about it, but no one else even wanted to consider him compared to the students who were able to do many more extracurricular activities and were able to dedicate more hours to non paid work.
What I’m trying to say is that even if nobody is actively corrupt, it’s a structurally classist system.
What I’m trying to say is that even if nobody is actively corrupt, it’s a structurally classist system.
Yep … this.
Whether there are lies or nepotism or completely inapplicable experiences or just confirmation biases … the very idea of the internship to get your foot in the door is classist.
The idea that you have time to burn for free for the sake of your career is classist. The idea that an economic system premised on everyone being employed somehow should work by having those employees constantly “hustle” to get employment is classist. To speak of these notions as universally applicable without acknowledging their classism … is classist.
Probably parents money. But even if it were a loan she’d have to have had more privilege than most to get to that position anyway.
This is exactly how she managed to advance so quickly. By being willing to spout this BS on demand.
I am “willing to do anything”
Except I mean it as an ultimatum
Rule of Acquisition #91: Your boss is only worth what he pays you
There has got to be other measures, such as how much her skin would fetch as a couch, or taking her trappin
If you work at SquareSpace, start talking about a union. The C-Level there absolutely gives no fucks about replacing you.
What is with these Coconuts telling other people to be slaves.
Im sure not so long ago some of these same people came from struggling families barely making it living food to mouth.
It has to be the “Fuck you Got Mine” mentality that they got going on.
“geriatric millennials” How old does this author think millennials are?
It’s a term used to refer to older millennials. I am 42 and apparently a “geriatric millennial.” I hate the term, for what it’s worth.
Pregnancies over age 35 are considered geriatric as well. So maybe they are just confused because of that…? (I’m being generous)
Wtf is a CMO?
Chief Marketing Officer
The fact that we have people getting paid multiple times the average wage for fucking marketing and advertising is proof our economic system is a complete and utter failure
Chief Masturbatory Officer
That is a solid plan to advance your career.
