PS.
I would for vote Kamala. I would vote for a cactus with sunglasses if it had the Democratic nomination. You would do yourself well to consider anything that is weaking the resolve of the anti-trump sentiment straight poison to your brain. We have only one job this novemeber and that is to stop trump. The Supreme Court has given him the status of king. Quit acting like your vote is sacred and start realizing your vote is your final cry before your rights are forfeited.
I juat don’t understand why Democrats don’t nominate literally anyone else and win election, without risking Trump winning?
I don’t put this on some random people when real culprit is Democratic Party. It is almost like they want Trump to win.
BINGO, YEAH I’M VOTING BLUE NO MATTER WHO BUT FFS DEMOCRATS LOVE TO LOSE.
Why would they? They know their voter base is a bot that will vote blue no matter who. They don’t have the incentive.
Why not put it on the republican party?
Why not stand up to the republican party?
I just don’t get you.
BUT
HER EMAILSBIDEN OLD!I would vote for the wrinkles on Biden’s nutsack before voting for Trump.
Believe it or not, completely smooth. Yeah I don’t know, just is.
Like eggs?
Old man nutsack gravity
Don’t let “not ideal” be the enemy of “replacing Biden for a candidate that can beat Trump.”
Be honest. He’s totally senile and not fit to run a bridge club.
Stick with him and you deserve to lose.
4 months before the election?? Are you a sleeper Republican agent, or just utterly clueless?
Not a single person thinking of voting Democrat will change their mind if Biden gets pulled. Literally 0.
Exactly replacing Biden will get more votes than not replacing Biden, it’s a purely positive move.
I am clueless Europen, from here it looks like Biden already lost elections and that putting anyone else would mean that Trump will lose.
Than again, this might be just what media is selling me and people around me think.
No it’s clear as day here too for anyone who has ever stepped foot out of their preachy pundit bubble.
This is soooooo fucking stupid. The voters who you need to turn out in Wisconsin don’t already agree with you. Yelling at socialists who live in NY and California on Lemmy isn’t going to change the vote of an Obama-Trump-Biden-Trump voter in a swing state, who probably has VERY weird politics and 100% is not going to be yelled at into voting for Biden. Sorry. You have no power to change this outcome, nor do the socialists you Blue MAGAs spend all day downvoting. It’s over. You lost when you let them put Biden in despite being 300 years old 4 years ago.
I’m not the one who put in Biden you dip shit. I primaried against him in 2020, was vocally against him in 2021, 2022, and 2023.
You fucking wish that a biden win is impossible. You are the trumper and the fascist and everything that goes with it because effectively, everything you do is for him.
Yes, everyone is a secret Trumper or a Russian bot. You in no way sound insane and this in no way turns off voters in contention in swing states to the democratic party and Biden. You’re doing a great job.
Who knew it was the guy online who was passionate about stopping trump that gave “everyone in the swing states” the ick.
Apologies.
“I don’t know why you get up in the morning, you’re just gonna die eventually anyway”
- bad_news (probably)
Easier just to block some folks.
Yes plug your ears to anyone who disagrees with you
lol you say you were against Biden until 2023? And now you’re this? Congratulations, you stand for absolutely nothing.
I hope Biden wins. And then I want him to go to The Hague. Y’all gotta quit pretending that Biden is the only thing saving your country from fascism. It’s an embarrassment.
You’re the embarrassment. Ushering in fascism and pretending you’re better than anyone. People dead in the streets you’ll sit at home drinking your own piss thinking, “I sure told that guy online once.”
Ushering in fascism and pretending you’re better than anyone.
Or maybe thats you?
Ok, let’s here it. How am I ushering fasicm.
Let me guess:
Im the one letting biden be the dnc candidate? Laughable
No one polling at his levels has won a Federal office, ever. Not once.
Biden can’t win. Its just what it is. He’s too unpopular with his own party, with likely Democrat voters, with Independents. And that was the case before his disastrous debate performance (and the extended disaster encoure he’s offered post-debate). Its just plain, boring as cake fact that this particular candidate is losing the election, severely. Its pretty well established that due to a variety of factors, we need to see a Democrat polling at 8-+ their competition nationally to be break even on election day, and ideally 12+ to be comfortable. Biden was up on Trump 8 going into election day, and barely squeaked by. 40k votes in like 3 counties in swing states made the entire difference. That victory was so tight it made our buttholes squeak.
You can’t stop fascism/ Trump/ Project 2025 with Biden as the candidate. The campaigns that are doing internal polling see that. And its not new new’s. Biden hasn’t been winning this race at any point in his campaign.
You have to make a choice: You can either make your commitment to stopping fascism and Trump and project 2025, or your commitment can be to Joe Biden.
You can’t have it both ways because the data is the clearest its literally ever been in American electoral politics: Joe Biden is going to lose this. It doesn’t matter if we have to figure out at the convention. It doesn’t matter if they want the delegates to decide or want to do another coronation. What matters is that if you refuse to get on the side of replacing Biden, you are conceding this election to DJT and come what may.
Cake is delicious, not boring.
There is no side to get on. Joe Biden has to step down. Then we can talk.
Here’s your meme, “take it up with Joe.”
“Blue MAGAs” “It’s over. You lost”
This troll has no intention of having a meaningful discussion. He lives in a bizarre reality where voting against a rapist, dictator, and felon is the same as going full cock in hand for an authoritarian. Block him and move on.
“Blue MAGA” What fucking fascist circlejerk birthed that nonsense?
The term has been around for just over a year.
AKA Blue Fash/ Blue MAGA/ BNMW (But actually only Biden).
It started as a descriptor for those defending Biden running again (when it was a literal campaign promise that he would stick to one term). Got more traction when the DNC cancelled/ disallowed any debates that would have put Biden on stage and have him challenged from within the party. The DNC pushed for a coronation and fed the line that anyone challenging this was “for Trump” through their various mainstream and alternative outlets.
Dummies ate it up, and post October, say, November, when it was clear that Biden was taking the wrong side of the Gaza/ Israel issue and he started to see challenges to his policies from within the party, thats when the Blue MAGA rhetoric really got going. Its rhetorically very similar to what we saw coming from r/TheDonald in the earliest days of the MAGA movement. No space for nuance, gaslit trolling, vote-shaming, etc.
When we saw a write in campaign for Undecided, that should have been the “SLAM ON BREAKS/ PULL HANDLE TO STOP” moment for Joe Biden, but Blue MAGA, in both mainstream and social media, worked to prevent a serious discussion around Joe Biden until very recently, when it became so appealingly glaring that he couldn’t win, even their abuse wasn’t enough to halt the conversation.
And like clockwork, here you are.
How does it feel to be on the losing side of history AGAIN?!
It started as a descriptor for those defending Biden running again (when it was a literal campaign promise that he would stick to one term).
It literally wasn’t a campaign promise. I know all you ever do is misrepresent things. But for Christ’s sake at least put basic effort into making it hard to fact check your lies when you troll. “Aids signaling he might be a one term president” doesn’t constitute a campaign promise.
Axios doesn’t agree with you:
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/03/biden-campaign-democrats-pledge-one-term
What this axios? From the literal link you just posted?
**The big picture: **Biden never made an explicit public promise to serve just one term — though Politico reported that he had privately told advisers that he wouldn’t run again.
You’re actually getting worse. Posting stuff that disagrees with you as support.
The bottom line: Biden’s 2020 promises might not matter much to voters in the grand scheme of things, according to Fowler. “If the voters believed that Joe Biden was the best person for the job, and they were excited to vote for him, they would still be happy to vote for him regardless of whether he had said in 2020 that he was likely to be a one-term president or was just going to be a short-term bridge,” he said. “Unfortunately, there aren’t a lot of voters who are enthusiastic about voting for Biden right now.”
It was a campaign promise dude. It was in his rhetoric. He said it several times. Was it litterally in his platform? Did he sign a contract? No but thats never how campaign promises work. Trump said he was going to build a wall. Was it in his campaigns platform? No. Does that still make it a promise? Yes.
You are being obtuse if you think that’s how campaign promises are made.
No no no, people were shutting down anti-joe sentiment since the 2020 election. It’s not blue MAGA it’s corporate control. Reddit was being commercialized and anything left of Joe was bad for business. Lemmy is a silo so when people transitioned after the mod strike they were finally allowed to say the fucking truth. Unfortunately the tankies and right wing ideologues got here first because they were driven from reddit long before the leftists.
Most people were fine with the fact we had to throw down for joe again but because of obvious discourse bad actors have been amplifying in-fighting just about the time when there was nothing left anyone could do. They did the same thing with Bernie in 2016 and guess what, it’s working again.
This whole sub is a testament to it, April, May, June, none of my memes would have gotten traction.
I think this (if a bit dated) macro highlights the definition fairly well:
The know your meme article is worth a read. We’re both wrong on dates. It was coined in 2017. Obviously its usage has transformed several times, and I think my defintiion is probably the most accurate current working definition, specifically for the period from post WI/ MI/ MN primaries to now. Its the definition Jon Stewart used recently.
Another example is MSNBC host Joy Reid saying she would vote for Joe Biden if he was in a coma. Or Whoopi saying she would vote for Joe Biden even if he was shitting his pants on stage.
And this is the whole rhetorical point. It doesn’t matter that these Blue MAGA have incredibly low standards or are only interested this one guy. Saying you want insist on running the comatose pants shitter is not convincing to others and its losing Democrats the elections, entirely. Hence the actual panic in the Democratic party at this point, because Joe Biden’s down ballot impacts are that you give team red a super majority in BOTH the house and the senate.
If you actually care about winning the election, its not about you being convinced of something; its about what is going take to convince a majority of people other than you of something.
Most people were fine with the fact we had to throw down for joe again
See. This is just not TRUE. Its not supported by the data. Look at the previous 450 days of polling. Look at the write in campaigns when the DNC shut-down anything resembling a real primary. You have to come to terms with the actual material fact that no, most Democrats right now do not want Joe Biden as candidate. This intentional ignoring of the facts is what qualifies as Blue MAGA behaviror.
Polling data is notoriously shit. Joe won the primaries in 2020 and a better candidate has not emerged since. 2020 showed us that both candidates were not popular. Ever.
In fact, Joe gets less credit then he deserves because he has done phenomenal for being a fucking useless dinosaur.
Blue MAGA is thought terminating terminology and I will never submit to your fucking bullshit. I didn’t when you were screaming “alt-left” and I won’t wen you start saying blue-fash. You want the fucking “both sides” argument so hard and it’s absolute shit.
Blue MAGA
If you’ve lost your connection to reality, and it seems like you have, I don’t know what other term to use for you. And its accurate in the sense that Red MAGA and now, you, with Blue MAGA, are in a cult that has completely detached its self from reality. The only thing guiding your rhetoric is your fear and your feelings. You have nothing to back up your argument for supporting Biden. When confronted with reality, you dismiss it.
Its sad to see whats happened to supposed “leftists”.
You are a walking definition of Blue MAGA.
Yep, democrats will do anything but appeal to the voters they actually need. Hillary didn’t campaign in Michigan and spent a fortune in campaign money in Texas, but they’re still blaming her loss on Jill Stein (as if people that would rather vote third party in a swing state would switch to the democrats if only you yelled at them enough).
Biden lost critical swing state Muslims, a swathe of Gen Z and there’s probably a bunch of independents that do care about the age issue and also don’t see the “great economy” Biden keeps talking about.
Idk how to tell you this. They dont need ledtists nearly as much as they need Obama-Ttump-Biden suburbanites in Wisconsin. Even jf you got a replacement candidate, they’d just be a moderate. Because an actual leftist is probably the only thing that would lose even harder
100% is not going to be yelled at into voting for Biden.
But if you just shame them harder, or maybe tell them Democracy is even MORE on the line than ever ever, pinky promise (sorry we played this card then we didn’t even bother to prosecute the guy who put democracy on the line right before the election and whoopsie it went all fucky wucky and the clock ran out).
There is a culture of trolling and abuse that has been allowed to foment on lemmy where the only acceptable view is effectively a form of diet-facism that comes from within the culture around the DNC, where questioning the decisions and strategies of people who are objectively bad at winning elections is simply disallowed.
This thing’s over with Biden as candidate, and BNMW earned the L.
They didnt not prosecute him, sycophantic courts managed to delay until this point, and then scotus granted him immunity. That outcome should’ve been obvious when an impeachment couldnt even get through
I am an unapologetic leftist, and, like most other leftists, I do not believe that engaging in the liberal democratic process will, or even can, bring about my ideal society. However, while I don’t think voting is likely to make things meaningfully better, I do think it can prevent things from getting meaningfully worse. Maybe fascism can’t be defeated with votes, but I can’t see how anything is lost by trying. I mean, why make it easier on the fascists? I’m sure the fascists won’t just give up because they lost an election, but that’s not a reason to hold the door open for them. Again, I don’t think voting for Biden (or whoever the Democratic candidate ends up being) is going to make things much better, but I do think not voting for him could make things much worse. So, we (leftists) should all vote for the Democrats this November. Not because it’s going to get us nearer to our ideal, or our ultimate goals, but because it might help prevent the US from being taken over by fascists.
Change requires sustained momentum. Bouncing back and forth between Republicans and protest voting against Democrats. Is a sure fire way to see no change. If we were to say, show solidarity and dedication to keep all Republicans from elected office. Republicans would lose relevance and slink away. They might try masquerading under a different name like economic liberals playing Libertarian that generally vote Republican. But they will lose influence.
Once that happens. Then we focus on the worst of the Democrats, primarying every single one and driving them out. That sustained momentum and push is what’s needed. To keep the fascist and the wealthy scattered and disorganized like they’ve kept the left. Though the left has done a fair share of that to itself. The right will eat itself as well especially once they’re not winning.
Yeah, basically if the Republicans can be crushed in an election or two - Not just defeated, but absolutely demolished - then it could lead to them dissolving, and lead to the Democrats splitting and pushing the Overton window back left
I’d still argue that’s a bit too short-term. It would have to last years. Not just elections. Probably 3 to 4 presidential elections at minimum. A good decade absence from from National political relevance will get the message across.
It starts with this election. You’re looking down the barrel. No one wants you to pull the trigger america. Step back.
How sustained are we talking? We ushered in the Biden presidency with a huge mandate in 2020, and snuffed out the alleged “red wave” in ‘22 due to republicans’ reprehensible views on denying women bodily autonomy.
Biden and the establishment Dems have squandered this time by telling Americans who are suffering economically that the economy is doing great. That Biden is better than FDR, while our public infrastructure crumbles and our most popular social programs are at risk of closure.
When should we expect the Democrats to actually do something meaningful that improves the vast majority of normal people’s lives?
The Biden administration has been directly addressing that crumbling infrastructure with the largest federal infra investment in modern history. It just happens to be boring so the media doesn’t talk about it.
Ok, so private contractors who are pals with Congress critters get massive checks from the taxpayers to maybe do something, but we won’t see any tangible improvements for at least a decade.
What are they doing in particular? Shouldn’t Biden be making his case as part of his campaign for president? It seems that whenever he gets pressed for details, he just gets flippant and says he’s done more for the American people than FDR and we’re just too stupid to realize it. I’m just not seeing it. I do see a record amount of oil and gas drilling, asylum seekers still in cages while building more of Trump’s wall for him, massive arms sales to enrich military contractors and slaughter innocents in the middle east, and a seeming lack of interest in protecting voter rights and civil liberties. So to me, it seems nothing has changed with Biden from the neoliberal status quo over the last 25 years. Considering he’s over 80, that’s not a huge surprise. Is it the media’s job to advertise Biden’s accomplishments for him?
We don’t need to wait for the Republicans to stop existing before we get representation in exchange for our votes. With a more representative electoral system like Ranked Choice voting, people would be free to vote for those that best represents them, secure in the knowledge that their vote would still be counted even if their preference didn’t win. Still counted against the republicans.
You see, we can have democracy and freedom at the same time. How we vote is controlled at the state level, so we should be able to make these changes in blue states where republicans have less influence.
Unless of course, the democrats in power in those blue states aren’t interested in democracy.
So long as the republicans exist, the amendments necessary to get ranked choice voting wont happen. So yes actually, we do need to wait for them to stop existing
Do you have your guns, beans, and gasoline ready in case the fascists do win in November?
Nobody said it would be pretty.
Will your privilege save you when The Fall occurs?
So, we (leftists) should all vote for the Democrats this November.
Great, and I have. Yet the democratic party does not make electoral reform a priority. Are they ever going to address the problem of all these disenfranchised voters who don’t want to vote for them? Why is the DNC gambling the future of the nation state every election on the Republicans driving voters to them?(because they ALL have been the most important election ever)
It’s clear we need more political parties involved simply because the democrats are incredibly weak. Democrats need to beg people they dont represent to vote for them to stop fascism. That’s the point of your entire comment right? Doesn’t sound like they’re doing well in this existential fight.
Democrats can’t fight the republicans alone. Democrats need backup to defeat the republicans. Don’t you want more chances to defeat the republicans? Don’t you want more people on the debate stage to call out trumps bullshit?
First Past The Post voting has got to go before it ends us all.
Other electoral systems to choose from:
how many times are you going to spam this? espescially that skewed youtube video that seems to be designed to push people toward strategic voting instead of voting for their values.
Because the party is a coalition. If they did that, they’d just lose the swing voters who actually play kingmaker to repiblican backlash
…the democratic party does not make electoral reform a priority. Are they ever going to address the problem of all these disenfranchised voters who don’t want to vote for them?
Probably not.
Democrats need to beg people they dont represent to vote for them to stop fascism. That’s the point of your entire comment right?
Correct.
Democrats can’t fight the republicans alone.
Yes, that’s true.
The choice is between boring corporatists and 100% concentrated evil. Undecided voters are the dumbest people on the face of the Earth.
What really annoys me about all these political meme/card posts is the lack of spell checking.
They’re right, but dammit, at least try to make your point look good. That would be the ideal.
Ok, since you were less snarky then the last guy I’ll fix it. But know this, im not trying bro.
I would vote to shit my pants every day for the next four years before not voting against TFG.
I always like to point out that the people on the far right are always going to vote, and they are always going to vote for the Republican candidate no matter what. Even if you feel like there aren’t any “good candidates” you should still vote because even getting a less than ideal president is better than just doing nothing and letting Trump become a dictator for life
The only real solve is for several people to devote their lives to seeming like milquetoast centre right Democrats, getting into a majority of high ranking committee positions, and then all turn left at once and effect sweeping reforms to the entire platforms
It’s impossible. You would have to be able to fake “real housewives” type social discourse and be able to social climb in that environment. It guarantees only dumb, thoughtless, bite backing, people will ever hold seats of power. Else you risk GOP game of thrones style politics where the GOAT is a spray tanned ballsack with a golden comb over.
Exactly why I bothered to describe a comically implausible scenario for everyone’s enjoyment.
I think I’m out of jokes for now, at least until we find out one of Trump’s kids has a mysterious illness that can only be treated by a tall drunk with a disquieting gaze.
IMO, the solutionis changing how we vote so the disenfranchised are encouraged to participate. More voters equals more democratic votes. So why arent democrats taking these easy votes? All it takes is passing electoral reform in the states they control.
Because that would lose more moderates than the leftists itd gain. The electorate is a third fascist, a third conservative, about a sixth leftist and a sixth social democrat
dictator for life LMAO 🤣
I agree. So we should all rally around a candidate who actually has a chance to beat Trump rather than blindly following some guy who’s comfortable handing over the White House as long as he, “tried his best.”
That stupid Adam Schiff keeps telling Biden to drop out. I think Schiff-head needs to shut the hell up. Is now really the time to undermine confidence in the incumbent?
The person who wants Biden to be the nominee the most is Trump. Notice he’s gone completely quiet on him, not blasting him for his age like some democrats are, because he knows he can win against an 81yo Biden. As soon as he’s confirmed as the nominee, Team Trump will turn around and try to make him look as old as dirt
When your opponent is making a mistake, don’t stop them.
We could unite over democracy right?
We should help work towards passing electoral reform in each of our states. Then you can put all those people upset with the democrats into the game. Let them to participate in the electoral process.
More people voting means more democratic votes. Don’t you want more votes for the democratic party?
It’s not just having elections. It’s having enough breathing room to enact fundamental change at all. We need to unionize every workplace, and start insisting that politicians of any party work for us. The path forward will be hard enough under Biden, but basically impossible under Trump. Voting is not sufficient by itself.
If biden wins you get none of those things and another „last chance” election in 4 years. Nobody wants to fix anything anymore. There are only people who want to destroy what remains for even more power.
Every election is going to be a “last chance” election until there’s another GOP win. Then either they were right, the Dems will learn and pivot to another tactic or they’ll lose several more times because losing the last chance and still having another “last chance” right on schedule makes you look especially dishonest.
I’d much rather have “another last chance election” in four years than a sham election in four years.
Lobbying is the cancer eating at the system.
Something INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT that no one talks about is how when real pressure is laid on the table, Biden almost always bends. Having him stay in office, while not the best possible scenario, is also not the worst IF we all continue to pressure him. Granted, it would have to be done in different and more nuanced ways as he is then again the sitting President. However, I feel with the right people at the forefront and the correct pressure, we can enact change through him more significant than anything he has done these last four years.
And make no mistake my dear dissidents, he HAS done a lot of good.
